Change in Apple App Store policy regarding loot boxes / Inadequate answer in Q&A

i believe they re looking for ways to loophole the rules. For example, theres a argument that all chronium packs are F2P and as such you dont "purchase" them with real money.

"swgohfan29;c-1498978" wrote:
i believe they re looking for ways to loophole the rules. For example, theres a argument that all chronium packs are F2P and as such you dont "purchase" them with real money.

Of course they are.
But the fact that packs can be bought for crystals F2P players receive via arena payouts / make-goods does not necessarily mean that it is OK to not tell P2P players the odds of their "investment".

As I said in my edit above: Reluctance to show the odds clearly is a clear sign of predatory practices.
In every lottery, in every gambling scenario, the odds are either known or can be calculated.
Not so much in this game (and many other video/mobile games).

Casinos also do not post the odds of each game in the house. It'd be interesting to see what the Attorney General of Calif has to say on the status.

"ChickenFett139;c-1498980" wrote:
Casinos also do not post the odds of each game in the house. It'd be interesting to see what the Attorney General of Calif has to say on the status.

Pretty much all casino games have well-known odds.
Slots machines usually have around 95% payout rate (which should be defined by law).
So the chances of winning are pretty much known (you lose 5$ for every 100$ you bet).
Also, there's only one item you can win (money), so the win/lose structure is way simpler than in games like SWGOH.

"Emmant;c-1498989" wrote:
If a product, virtual or not, is a good product, transparency should not hinder it

Exactly.
I would even go as far as putting it this way:
....transparency WILL not hinder it.

This is not a good sign regarding CG's confidence in the products they sell.

A voice of reason in these forums, I can't believe it!
Thanks for your input, @Emmant ! Very well received! Chapeau!

As I understand it is that the rng chances only needs to be shown for loot boxes that can be purchased for cash. Not for boxes you get from ingame currency even if that currency was bought for cash in the first place.

Is that correct or am I misunderstanding something?

I would imagine that most companies operating a loot box model will be evaluating their strategy going forward to see the options that are available rather than simply disclosing the odds.

Companies have responsibilities to investors and so taking any action that could potentially hurt sales would never be welcomed.

If CG disclosed tomorrow that the odds of 330 shards dropping on a single purchase was 100,000 to 1 for example, this may not put off players who typically max out characters but it would likely put off players who buying a couple of packs on the off-chance.

The drop chances are so bad, they are going to resist this change as much as they can. I'm curious to know the chance to get 330 shards from the shard packs. Seems really sketchy they can't get behind what they offer with a little pride.

hi SoylentGreen,

first, thanks for opening this discussion.


i think it‘s only fair to know our chances.


*330 shards...

1%?
0,01%?
0,001%
...


*upgrading speed secondary mods...

do they have really the same chance as others to climb?
(my experience makes me NOT BUY the mod-store mods, because they don‘t climb with the same possibility or rng hates me)


*rng in the raid-awards

there are player, who make a top3-rank and got no full gear piece 4 times... ;-)
why should i play nearly an hour in haat, if a guild-member posts his full piece for rank 14 and i got only.....
btw we never saw a full gear12 material since our first territory battle... frustrating with the time!


what‘s the problem with showing us the chances?
total easy!
if the chances are bad and we don‘t buy cards, mods, ... then they have to change them.

so what?

nobody will quit the game if his chances are better but i‘m sure some player will leave if they got only bad odds for his crystals/dollars/euros...