Collusion in Arena

ITS not collusion, it's just organization so people dont hit each other before payout and you hit the guys who already got thier rewards. it's not cheating if you can literally beat any team to make it to top 5.

sounds like you're salty you cant, and if you can get into the shard chat. they shouldnt have a problem with you joining if you are causing problems, of your not then the shard chat isnt affecting you in anyway

"Ryan0324;c-1665296" wrote:
I don't know what the solution would be. I found my shard, the response I got was "the shard doesn't want to add you." And I am capable of getting into the top 10. Or at least I was and tried to get in the shard. Now I get targeted specifically. So I can get sent back from #3 all the way to #103. For me it's really made the arena unenjoyable. Especially knowing I have a better team than others in the shard and knowing I now am competing against everyone in the shard. And there is nothing I can do about it.

When are you climbing to get dropped 100 spots? If you just climb within the last 2 hours of your payout then you're less likely to impact multiple time zones' payouts and they couldn't possibly push you that far in that time.

"Ryan0324;c-1665369" wrote:
I'm telling you it happens. I'm at 6 now because I went ahead and finished my extra attempts. Once I get up in the morning, promise I'll be out of the top 50. And I know I'll hear that it's my team and defense, bit there are teams way easier to beat out than mine that never get sent back as far as me. The truth is I'm being targeted.

exactly you have just said it yourself you are attacking people outside your payout time which is more than likely why you have been refused into the shard chat.
the easy way would be to contact them ask for a list of payout times that they know of and climb during YOUR payout time avoiding people in the same or close payouts.
that would show you are willing to work with them and may even give them a reason to let you join instead of refusing you due to attacking anyone at anytime.

"BubbaFett;c-1665485" wrote:

"LynnYoda;c-1665405" wrote:

"BubbaFett;c-1664819" wrote:

"LynnYoda;c-1664803" wrote:
99% of the biggest whales are in shard chats, do you really think EA is going to start banning whale accounts due to them being part of a shard chat?

They don't have to start banning people..... Just shuffle the shards once in a while....

what exactly would that achieve the same people would still be using external chats and the would just reorganise themselves. the forum is full of people giving names and discord links etc how long do you think it would take for the reshuffled shards to have their chats sorted?

If they shuffled it once a month, all of the shard chat cheaters would be in here every month from every shard trying to find their chronies..... By the time they got themselves set up, it would be time for another shuffle again......

I think you are vastly under estimating how long it would take for the shard chats to reform. The first time it might take a couple of days, but soon enough the infrastructure will be set up to quickly reform them in matter of hours.

It is just a matter of making contact with the shard chats of adjacent shards prior to the shuffle, and reassambling the broken pieces of shards chats to new shard chats. Easy peasy.

Also I so no cheating going on. Just people pooling their resources for their mutual benefit.

And if they just removed usernames from the arena it would be a lot harder to organize anything. That would make it much more fair for the players that are not invited to these shard chats or just don't want to be a part of it.

I'm getting this feeling that EA doesn't really have enough knowledge of the nuances in SWGoH to realize what a shard chat is and how it impacts the "pvp" element.

I took No_Try's recommendation and contacted EA customer service. I explained the concept of shard chats, how common they are, and shared my view on it. Then I asked for an official EA stance on the practice of shard chats in SWGoH.

I honestly expected a canned response, but the EA rep actually agreed that it seemed unfair. The most pertinent part of the reply was this (and I'll bold the line that makes me believe EA would consider shard chatting against ToS):

Please let me share that, your concerns, feedback and troubles are important to us. We want to thank you for informing us about the player, we will fully investigate your report. We strive to provide a safe, fun and fair place to play and commit to taking the appropriate action against those who wish to abuse Star Wars: Galaxy of Heroes in this manner and those who create applications or cheats which can be used to give an unfair advantage to a player.

They filed it under "Harassment" whereas I actually wrote the ticket under "Game Information" or whatever. Nor did I actually report a player, but the rep was speaking of it as a blanket investigation into player(s).

So... who knows, maybe that's just the copy/pasted response everybody gets.

But if someone feels they're a victim of shard chat targeting, I would suggest reporting the players, timestamps, etc, of when and how you think you're being targeted.

Alternatively, all you shard chatters who think shard chats are completely in line with ToS, put your account where your mouth is. Report yourselves and your fellow chat members to EA. Attach Discord transcripts and timestamps of you and other players targeting non-chat players and agreeing upon payout schedules. If your activities are allowed, then you've got nothing to worry about, and you can come into threads like these and say "see, I told you guys."

(FYI, happy to forward the EA response to anyone who wants to see the reply.)

"obikenobi1;c-1679703" wrote:
Just throwing this out there, but what if you contacted others that are in the same position as you are and you form your own shard chat? Say you got everyone in rank 51-100 to all work together to get into the top 50 spots. That way you can ignore each other and focus on taking out people in the other shard chat. Seems brutal but its effective when a group of people work together to defeat another group of people. A single stick isn't going to do much against a bundle of sticks, but a bundle of sticks being smashed against another bundle of sticks will do some damage.

they wont be able to touch top10 in most cases. this is pretty naive thinking from you. people who finish around around 50-20 often cant beat me on offense even, and thats even before i moved to revan team. just in the last 2 days i saw few people outside the chat trying to pass me, swapping teams aswell to Zaul, Trio, Nest and still fail. and dont let me start about the traya meta. there were days i woke up at #3-4 and needed a single fight to reach my daily #1.
the top guys who are in the shard chat are the meta deciders for the shard. they get the trayas first, the revans first.. they have the best mods and they can put the best defense team. if you think someone whos placing around 60 daily can pass them easily, you are SO WRONG.
if it was the opposite, and the guys outside the top (and outside the shard) would be able to do good vs those inside the chat *CONSISTENTLY*, the chats would look different.
those within the chat are there for a reason, those outside aren't there for a reason.
Second shard chat will lose hard to the first. if you think about it, they already lose their competition in earlier and easier metas, and thats why they are left behind now.

"SithTrio_PO;c-1680407" wrote:

"obikenobi1;c-1679703" wrote:
Just throwing this out there, but what if you contacted others that are in the same position as you are and you form your own shard chat? Say you got everyone in rank 51-100 to all work together to get into the top 50 spots. That way you can ignore each other and focus on taking out people in the other shard chat. Seems brutal but its effective when a group of people work together to defeat another group of people. A single stick isn't going to do much against a bundle of sticks, but a bundle of sticks being smashed against another bundle of sticks will do some damage.

they wont be able to touch top10 in most cases. this is pretty naive thinking from you. people who finish around around 50-20 often cant beat me on offense even, and thats even before i moved to revan team. just in the last 2 days i saw few people outside the chat trying to pass me, swapping teams aswell to Zaul, Trio, Nest and still fail. and dont let me start about the traya meta. there were days i woke up at #3-4 and needed a single fight to reach my daily #1.
the top guys who are in the shard chat are the meta deciders for the shard. they get the trayas first, the revans first.. they have the best mods and they can put the best defense team. if you think someone whos placing around 60 daily can pass them easily, you are SO WRONG.
if it was the opposite, and the guys outside the top (and outside the shard) would be able to do good vs those inside the chat *CONSISTENTLY*, the chats would look different.
those within the chat are there for a reason, those outside aren't there for a reason.
Second shard chat will lose hard to the first. if you think about it, they already lose their competition in earlier and easier metas, and thats why they are left behind now.

Yep, the problem of most guys not in the shard chat is that they think people in top get their ranks for free. All of them have super-effective teams and a powerful roster and modbase. Otherwise they would not be there.

"BubbaFett;c-1681332" wrote:

"rawman;c-1681198" wrote:

"SithTrio_PO;c-1680407" wrote:

"obikenobi1;c-1679703" wrote:
Just throwing this out there, but what if you contacted others that are in the same position as you are and you form your own shard chat? Say you got everyone in rank 51-100 to all work together to get into the top 50 spots. That way you can ignore each other and focus on taking out people in the other shard chat. Seems brutal but its effective when a group of people work together to defeat another group of people. A single stick isn't going to do much against a bundle of sticks, but a bundle of sticks being smashed against another bundle of sticks will do some damage.

they wont be able to touch top10 in most cases. this is pretty naive thinking from you. people who finish around around 50-20 often cant beat me on offense even, and thats even before i moved to revan team. just in the last 2 days i saw few people outside the chat trying to pass me, swapping teams aswell to Zaul, Trio, Nest and still fail. and dont let me start about the traya meta. there were days i woke up at #3-4 and needed a single fight to reach my daily #1.
the top guys who are in the shard chat are the meta deciders for the shard. they get the trayas first, the revans first.. they have the best mods and they can put the best defense team. if you think someone whos placing around 60 daily can pass them easily, you are SO WRONG.
if it was the opposite, and the guys outside the top (and outside the shard) would be able to do good vs those inside the chat *CONSISTENTLY*, the chats would look different.
those within the chat are there for a reason, those outside aren't there for a reason.
Second shard chat will lose hard to the first. if you think about it, they already lose their competition in earlier and easier metas, and thats why they are left behind now.

Yep, the problem of most guys not in the shard chat is that they think people in top get their ranks for free. All of them have super-effective teams and a powerful roster and modbase. Otherwise they would not be there.

If they were really that great, they wouldn't have to collude and clock block to stay there would they?

Again, if you are able to reach top-ranks you usually have a roster which i strong enough to beat ANY other squad on offense. The only way top-ranks are claimed in this system is by sniping/blocking. Shard chat members just prefer to save crystals and time effort.

"Ryan0324;c-1665296" wrote:
I don't know what the solution would be. I found my shard, the response I got was "the shard doesn't want to add you." And I am capable of getting into the top 10. Or at least I was and tried to get in the shard. Now I get targeted specifically. So I can get sent back from #3 all the way to #103. For me it's really made the arena unenjoyable. Especially knowing I have a better team than others in the shard and knowing I now am competing against everyone in the shard. And there is nothing I can do about it.

The shard chat rarely includes more than 30 ppl, and those 30 are usually within the top 40. If u are dropping to 103 overnight, trust me it's your squad. Dont blame the shard chat when ur defense is horrible.