Complaints.

I'm usually in the stop whining camp on most issues. This raid is too hard though.

The raid's been out a whole weekend. Only 35 guilds out of 10,000 have beat it in heroic. And a good portion of them were guild hopping to do it (TI straight up says that's what they did for the world first).

The T6 is so hard it's taking very competitive guild so long to complete that they're not going to be able to grind the gear needed to complete a heroic until next Spring.

I'm all for not whining and finding constructive solutions, but it's just a fact the difficulty of this raid is tuned to an absurd level right now.

"Darthisthenight;728467" wrote:
I'm usually in the stop whining camp on most issues. This raid is too hard though.

The raid's been out a whole weekend. Only 35 guilds out of 10,000 have beat it in heroic. And a good portion of them were guild hopping to do it (TI straight up says that's what they did for the world first).

The T6 is so hard it's taking very competitive guild so long to complete that they're not going to be able to grind the gear needed to complete a heroic until next Spring.

I'm all for not whining and finding constructive solutions, but it's just a fact the difficulty of this raid is tuned to an absurd level right now.

Completely agree on that last part especially. When the general goes 5 times in a row and wipes out your strongest characters it's kinda ridiculous plus the boost the raid says it gives Jedi does nothing to help either

It's hard....but im good with it

I'm all for the heroic tier being a challenge. I run an ever growing guild that takes on little players and builds them. When we finally got to the point where we could do t7 rancor raids it felt great, a real sense of achievement and team work. Challenge is good. We were all amped about the new raid but thought (realistically) that we only just manage to t7 rancor with our 40+ active members so the "normal" tank raid will be the place to start. We have watched the big fish plough through the new raid on their first attempts and speak of challenge...I say if you can do something first time, everytime, it is no challenge and you are deluding yourself. There was no thought or need for working out a strategic kill order or anything of the like... just whales blundering in with their "nuke it" hats on. The only challenge there is having a full guild.
The "normal" raid level seems much more time consuming and as such "challenging". My guild that can complete the heroic rancor started the "normal" tank raid on the night of release and are still, as I write this, only 50% of the way through phase 1 of the new raid!!! Balanced? No. I am a daily loggers and spend a little bit every couple of weeks on this game but I'm already at the point where I'm losing heart and I'm struggling to bring myself to have my ass handed to me by GG again. I'm thrilled by EA's work on this game but this is not right. Not balanced. Not fun. I'm at a real loss here. I don't want kenobi shards for normal prizes and I most certainly don't want Chewie shards to shut me up...I want that sense of achievement and progression that makes games like this work. People seem happy with heroic but I genuinely belief that "normal" is an unmitigated, soul destroying f $%k up.

*fire when ready, Commander*

"TMGaming227;73273" wrote:
I noticed a lot of people have been complaining about the new raid being too hard and all. Now what I say is, isn't this what you wanted? You've been wanting a challenge and now that it comes around you complain...

*applause*

"TMGaming227;73273" wrote:
I noticed a lot of people have been complaining about the new raid being too hard and all. Now what I say is, isn't this what you wanted? You've been wanting a challenge and now that it comes around you complain. I swear the workers at CG are trying their hardest to make this game the best possible experience for you and all you do is criticise. I for one enjoy the challenge it brings and anyone who wasn't prepared, that is your fault, they've been telling you to expand your rosters for a while and they gave you preparation to get Jedi's/Jawas beforehand so theirs no excuse. People need to rise to the challenge and overcome it. It's difficult for a reason, so it isn't just defeated with no skill and autoed. I want to thank everyone at CG for making the most amount of work you can in to making the best possible experience for us gamers.

When making a phase 1 boss have 30 million HP is "a smart challenge" and complaining about it is "wrong criticism".

The delusion is absolute.

I don't mind the difficulty but I am on phase 2 and anytime I bring in a new team that damn canon takes out one of my toons. That is incredibly annoying. This happens regardless of the team. I try choosing quicker toons or use qgj as lead with jedi team but it does nothing. The canon keeps taking one toon out at the start.
Has anyone else noticed this?

First, the background so you can put my comment in perspective:
My guild is a mix of f2p and p2p. We launched the normal difficulty immediately when the raid launched. Currently, we have 87% remaining on phase 2. Rancor raid is about a 45 minute free-for-all to take out from full for us.
So far, I'm enjoying the new raid. I'm looking at it as a growth challenge, and as it providing some direction in what teams I will be building over the next several months. Is it taking longer than I would like? Sure. Is it harder than I was expecting? Yes. But I don't have complaints about those things.
The devs created a new raid that would not go down in a way that was even remotely as easy as the Rancor. Good. The reality is that in 5-6 months, we will be taking down the heroic in an hour, and waiting for the next raid to come out, because whatever new things come out will make this easier, the way mods made the Rancor easier. That's the way these things work.
As far as the litany of complaints about how the top guilds and biggest whales will all get GK and the people who can't get him will no longer be able to compete in arena, that's b*********. Every time there's a new character with a solid kit, the cries of "no one can ever win again!" come out. I don't know how many threads were on here about how shoretrooper would kill every meta ever. Guess what -- he hasn't. GK is going to potentially introduce new metas, but he's not going to destroy every other team out there.
I will agree with two complaints though. First, I think that it would have been nice to have an "easy" tier for smaller and/or newer guilds. Second, the animations are soooooooooo slow. The tank needs to get through its attacks at least twice as fast. Other than that, I like it.

"vector6000;728684" wrote:

"TMGaming227;73273" wrote:
I noticed a lot of people have been complaining about the new raid being too hard and all. Now what I say is, isn't this what you wanted? You've been wanting a challenge and now that it comes around you complain. I swear the workers at CG are trying their hardest to make this game the best possible experience for you and all you do is criticise. I for one enjoy the challenge it brings and anyone who wasn't prepared, that is your fault, they've been telling you to expand your rosters for a while and they gave you preparation to get Jedi's/Jawas beforehand so theirs no excuse. People need to rise to the challenge and overcome it. It's difficult for a reason, so it isn't just defeated with no skill and autoed. I want to thank everyone at CG for making the most amount of work you can in to making the best possible experience for us gamers.

When making a phase 1 boss have 30 million HP is "a smart challenge" and complaining about it is "wrong criticism".

The delusion is absolute.

Sadly, a true statement.

All of these people saying the heroic difficulty is good but who then start complaining about normal's difficulty HP make me wonder when the hell they even tried heroic if they are on day 3 of phase 1 of normal. Please don't just talk about stuff you haven't even done or at least explain how heroic makes any sense given what they said it is tuned for. You don't hear me talking about normal raids. I am sure it is nice to have no pressure of losing, but I can *assume* that it gets freaking tedious with how long it takes.