12 months ago

Conquest - Just Can't Anymore... :(

I loved Conquest so much when it first came out. It felt like it really could live up to the promise of giving a use to the huge collections of toons that so many of us have cultivated (I have 10M+ GP).

Then the craziness started...

"Win 40 battles with..." anything is just...boring, even if you have the correct characters. And requires immense organization and rigidity. It's not fun.

Same with "Win 14 battles..." within a single Sector. Or..."Kill 100 enemies with this specific character..."

Or asking for severely under-powered teams to compete here - Wookiees and Tuskens, I'm looking at you. I have R5 Tuskens and I can barely find a node that I can win with them, and it makes zero sense for me to develop them further so I can hit that feat - because once I do, the challenge will likely disappear anyway.

When I went through the latest list of the upcoming Conquest, I did the math, and even at 10M+ GP, I still wouldn't be able to get the Max Crate.

Awhile back when they were asking about making Conquest changes, and what would get us to spend the $30 on a pass - well, this is pretty much it. I have bought it in the past, but it's just not worth it if I *STILL* can't get the max rewards at this level. If it were more reasonable to get the achievements, I would have no problem buying it every time.

Even on the Conquests that somehow I am able to complete (I did okay during the Scythe era - only because they had NS Zombie or Enfys cheese which unfortunately disappeared) - it's still no fun at all to have to sit and basically make a spreadsheet of super rigid battles to complete. It's just not fun.

I justify spending money on this game because I do have fun - but I just can't bring myself to spend on something that is so totally un-fun and I'm not going to be able to complete to actually get my money's worth. If I still can't unlock the character even after spending $90 on the conquest pass, I might as well just wait anyway until I finish them later (at that point, it doesn't matter if it's one more conquest or three from when I finally unlock).

What I really would love to see would be some VARIETY and OPTIONS. And much, much more reasonable feats. Really, any more than 5 victories in specific Sectors, or 20 for Globals, is just way too much.

For variety, things like "Complete 5 Battles with only light side Attackers" or "Defeat 20 enemies with a basic ability..." - stuff that is doable and FUN to theory craft for.

I'm no Pollyanna - I get it, this is about us spending money and getting us to do refreshes, etc. - which is fine. I'm not some big whale, but if I look at what I've spent on this game over the past 7 years (which I don't want to, LOL) I am sure I've spent enough to buy a decent used car.

And that's fine - I don't mind paying for my entertainment, and I've sure gotten many hours out of this game. I don't mind buying a Conquest Pass monthly, or spending the crystals on refreshes. But I just can't justify buying a Conquest Pass going further when I'm just not having any fun AND there is no way for me to actually get the full benefit of it in most cases.

Please, CG - give us more options and choices, and let us have fun - this is an excellently designed piece of end-game PvE content, it could be (and at first was) so much fun and actually make us feel like our endless upgrades of endless toons has a purpose. The framework is awesome - but the rigidity of the requirements and the myopic use of our rosters just suck every bit of enjoyment out of it.

eternia99
12 months ago
"Captain_Drogan;c-2440390" wrote:
If it bothers you so much, just shill out and slack your way to gold box. Waiting an extra two weeks for a character isn't the end of the world and it gives CG time to nerf it before you get it :)

Well, it's more than two weeks - but in any case - yes, that is exactly what I am doing. And the entire point of my post. CG wants to know why more people don't pay for Conquest Pass, and this is why.

I'm trying to tell them how to get my money. :)
LordDirt
New Traveler
12 months ago
With a 10+ million roster you should be able to get red crate each time with 3x 50 crystal refreshes a day. Plenty of videos online on how to do feats. Yes, it is a grind but the game mode preys on the impatient. I would rather play it than GA.
Doomkoph2
New Spectator
12 months ago
"LordDirt;c-2440393" wrote:
With a 10+ million roster you should be able to get red crate each time with 3x 50 crystal refreshes a day. Plenty of videos online on how to do feats. Yes, it is a grind but the game mode preys on the impatient. I would rather play it than GA.

I play for fun, Conquest and doing things 40 times is NOT FUN. I appreciate you telling us your feelings, they are noted, does not make Conquest Fun.
eternia99
12 months ago
"DootyCalls;c-2440408" wrote:

I play for fun, Conquest and doing things 40 times is NOT FUN. I appreciate you telling us your feelings, they are noted, does not make Conquest Fun.

Exactly - even when I am able to mathematically complete it, it's still just no fun at all.

This is supposed to be the end-game PvE content, and what hurts is that it could be so much fun - but the choices of feats just completely take any air out of it. On top of all the rigidness and pressure of all the guild content, having to sit and create a spreadsheet every time for PvE, and having to watch video after video about how to "cheese" various feats is just exhausting and almost indescribably monotonous, even in the best circumstances.

I would have no problem buying Conquest Pass every time if it was two weeks of fun, or at least much more reasonable to complete and get the full value of it. But if I can only get the gold crate anyway, it just doesn't make any sense to spend a cent since I'm still going to be waiting to unlock the character.
Sellago
12 months ago
They thing about passes is that they're only value if you can get them all. In MSF I bought their passes multiple times because it accelerated hard to get characters and I can get to the end by playing every day normally. With conquest the fact you CANNOT reach the end pass without refreshes makes it a premium mode then the conquest passes are just even more premium on a premium mode. It's greed upon greed upon greed and its not worth spending a dime on for the average player.
notthatguybefor
12 months ago
Lots of fair points… except the comment about tuskens. They absolutely rinse a whole bunch of teams in conquest. Even in the last sector of the last conquest with most only r3 mine could smash a bunch of the AI teams. Try imp troopers and if they have the endless ranks modifier you might get up to 10 kills per battle.
EnigmaPotatoes
New Spectator
12 months ago
Just swap to only getting Gold Crate instead.

It's pretty easy and you still unlock the unit before they leave Conquest so you never have to play Proving Grounds
EnigmaPotatoes
New Spectator
12 months ago
"Captain_Drogan;c-2440473" wrote:
"GeneralOrgana;c-2440391" wrote:
"Captain_Drogan;c-2440390" wrote:
If it bothers you so much, just shill out and slack your way to gold box. Waiting an extra two weeks for a character isn't the end of the world and it gives CG time to nerf it before you get it :)

Well, it's more than two weeks - but in any case - yes, that is exactly what I am doing. And the entire point of my post. CG wants to know why more people don't pay for Conquest Pass, and this is why.

I'm trying to tell them how to get my money. :)

It's exactly two weeks.... Redbox folks get it after 3 conquests.... Gold box folks get it the next one..

Depends if you get. The pass or not.

No pass with Gold Crates mean you after the 6th Conquest, just before they leave rewards.
fathertaylor2001
New Spectator
12 months ago
I agree. Conquest is way too tedious. I get red crate every time but I’m finding it harder and harder to be motivated enough to play it anymore.

The addition of the consumables to skip two global feats was nice, but it’s still such a chore to do. With the game taking up so much time and Conquest being so repetitive I’m close to not buying the pass. There’s a part of me that thinks that would be good since I know if I don’t get the newest Conquest characters right away I would be really annoyed. That might be enough for me to quit the game finally.

In the survey I told them they should cut the feats in half and then the pass should cut that in half again. They’ve chosen to so severely limit what we can use in Conquest and the teams we can face that it’s simply not fun.

Forcing us to spend extra time in that environment seems like a mistake to me. Obviously CG has different info though since they seem to be doubling down on tedious activities in the game.
LordDirt
New Traveler
12 months ago
Dont see why GA doesnt get the same hate. It is just the teams you go against every single time.