Credit Crunch

hearing complains like that makes me feel that it's worth to hold back my arena power and complete GW daily.

"MackemSLAM;182139" wrote:
Agree.

I am spending less on crystals and shard packs because I couldn't afford to level the new characters anyway. And I'm not going to add an EXTRA layer of expense whereby every level of character progress (that you already paid for) requires yet more expenditure on credits.

Getting the shards and gear is hard enough and expensive enough. Not being able to use them once you have them is just frustrating, and the prohibitive costs of maxing out (already expensive) characters does nothing for diversity and experimentation.

HERE IS THE POINT ^^^^ It is killing the game for paying players. It doesn't matter if it is fair or not. The point is that players are responding by spending less, not more. That is not good for the game...

"Qeltar;182269" wrote:

"MackemSLAM;182139" wrote:

Getting the shards and gear is hard enough and expensive enough. Not being able to use them once you have them is just frustrating, and the prohibitive costs of maxing out (already expensive) characters does nothing for diversity and experimentation.

Agreed.
I don't spend real-world cash on non-premium currency in mobile games. Ever.
Make no mistake (and don't listen to bogus "entitlement" claims) -- they deliberately created this situation with multiple moves to reduce credit availability:
- Removing the ability to sell gear with no valid reason (and it was claimed they did this because "they needed the space in the UI", which if true, was obviously not anything imminent).
- Making the credit event 6x worse rather than making it better as they implied they would.
- Reducing the net effect of bonus multipliers even if you buy credit packs.
It was all done on purpose, and entirely to try to squeeze even more money out of a game where they are already making a fortune. Pure, unbridled greed, nothing more, nothing less.

Somebody lock them up for violating.... ohw wait... it's their game. Entitlement is the correct word.
I'm reading strawman again by someone, most overused word around these forums next to entitlement.
But tell me, why are people complaining about a lack of credits? Because they want to gear and level faster than they do now but don't want to spend money on it. Patience is a virtue.
Remember Clash of Clans where you have to wait 2 weeks on an upgrade or where you pay insane amounts of real time money for ingame currency?
This ain't the only game where it is happening and I'm sorry some people have a hard time making choices.
If we have it your way (buy all toons first and level them in a month?), the game will be over in 6 months.

"Mittens;182250" wrote:

"Starjumper;182107" wrote:

"Mittens;181225" wrote:

"scuba;181202" wrote:

The credit situation has been in the game since the beginning, yes they nerfed the credit event which made it somewhat worse.

Not exactly true. It used to cost half as much to get a character to max level. When it cost 1.1 mil to max a characters level, 595 crystals would get you 525k, GW would get you 450k. Now it costs 2.4 mil to max a character, 595 crystals will get you 525k, GW will get you 450k. Next cap it will cost another 1+ mil to max a character. 595 crystals would still get you 525k, GW will still get you 450k.

The value of 1 credit is half of what it was when 60 was the cap.

How long did it take you to get to max lv60 characters? Maybe 6 weeks I would imagine if not less. So they make new content, increase the level cap and how long will it take to get to lv70 another 3-4 weeks? People need to accept it will take longer to max characters as the level cap increases. More of all resources will be required and need to be farmed or purchased.

Your numbers are right GW will still get you 450k - so you need to do 2 more gws before you can level a character - add 2 days wait onto the previous and it's not such a big deal imo. At least the new level cap should take a bit longer to hit than another 3-4 weeks before people start complaining they're bored again.

There will always be one resource in a game like this that is harder to come by and psychologically it's the one that nobody wants to pay for. Technically there is no difference between spending your money on credits or crystals yet I always hear people say 'I refuse to spend on credits' I which doesn't seem to make sense to me.

It's not that people don't want to pay for credits, it's that they essentially doubled the cost of them. I've spent hundreds on credit packs alone when 60 was the cap and early into 70. When 2 credit packs could get you from 1-60, now it takes 4 to get you from 1-70. If they doubled the crystal refreshes for energy or shards, there will be a lot less people willing to pay those costs. If they doubled the cost of crystals, many people would quit buying them. People aren't upset that credit costs have increased. They are upset because the means to acquire them did not rise in proportion.

Think about the new players who are level 30 right now. they will have a much harder time getting credits to have more than 5 characters than we did because we started earlier and have been at the cap longer. Why should new players be punished by constantly chasing the cap with characters getting nerfed and buffed, and no way outside of spending real money to be able to adjust or catch up?

I think it is that people don't want to pay for credits + that people want everything straight away. The cost of credits may have gone up but at the end of the day is it a ridiculous price? Not really. Somebody at EA probably got fired for setting their pricing model incorrectly in the first instance.

Again this stems down to lack of patience. I've already quoted clash of clans timescales to put this game into perspective. The fact is there are plenty of ways to obtain credits but people don't think they can get enough.

Regarding new lv30 players - Tbh they wont know any different (until they read the forum) and when you say at the end - 'with no way to adjust or catch up' well new players aren't supposed to catch up - at least not in a short space of time.

I hope people realise that when prices are set about 30% goes to apple or Google and then there's 20% (for uk) VAT. To be honest the credit prices are probably the most reasonable and realistic. People pay £14.99 for an 8 x chromium pack which only guarantees 1 character. Tbh I'm surprised people don't complain more about that as if it were cheaper people would buy more as it's the main way to gain new characters.

In summary - an extra few days of GW to take each character to lv70 isn't a big deal

"Qeltar;182269" wrote:

"MackemSLAM;182139" wrote:

Getting the shards and gear is hard enough and expensive enough. Not being able to use them once you have them is just frustrating, and the prohibitive costs of maxing out (already expensive) characters does nothing for diversity and experimentation.

Agreed.
I don't spend real-world cash on non-premium currency in mobile games. Ever.
Make no mistake (and don't listen to bogus "entitlement" claims) -- they deliberately created this situation with multiple moves to reduce credit availability:
- Removing the ability to sell gear with no valid reason (and it was claimed they did this because "they needed the space in the UI", which if true, was obviously not anything imminent).
- Making the credit event 6x worse rather than making it better as they implied they would.
- Reducing the net effect of bonus multipliers even if you buy credit packs.
It was all done on purpose, and entirely to try to squeeze even more money out of a game where they are already making a fortune. Pure, unbridled greed, nothing more, nothing less.

Requoted for absolute truth. Honestly people who disagree either feel like suckers for spending money on credits or just aren't high enough level to understand the problems.

As other have stated and I am in the same boat that people will pay less and less for crystals to unlock toons that just sit there staring at you because you can never afford to level them. Chromium packs have become absolutely useless.

You can unlock them, and sacrifice actually getting some tangible progression but who who do that and neglect a toon of higher level for weeks on end? It's blatantly stupid and it's bad game design, end of story.

"Qeltar;182269" wrote:

It was all done on purpose, and entirely to try to squeeze even more money out of a game where they are already making a fortune. Pure, unbridled greed, nothing more, nothing less.

That is true and since it was done on purpose I don't understand why it is expected for EA/CG to suddenly change their mind.

This is ofcourse from a PvP point of view. Why does it matter if you take it slow? You got your main squad maxed already and probably a B and C team. If the meta switches again, don't panic but save up to make those changes.
Does it matter for GW if you have half a roster unranked? Or does it matter for simming battles?

Only thing that makes sense here is PvP because you want to swap out characters to adjust to meta changes like RG is now. I haven't read any reasons why people want it changed, their personal agenda is never spoken of.

That the credit value is cut in half is logic in these games. Again clash of clans has the exact same economy where it is tempting to buy ingame curreny at the start but in no way worth it endgame. Why do people want to rank faster? I for one feel the reward is greater if it took me longer to get there. Investing time (farm) is committing you to this game which is the point.

"scuba;182750" wrote:

"Qeltar;182269" wrote:

It was all done on purpose, and entirely to try to squeeze even more money out of a game where they are already making a fortune. Pure, unbridled greed, nothing more, nothing less.

That is true and since it was done on purpose I don't understand why it is expected for EA/CG to suddenly change their mind.

Well, I for one, don't. The fact that there have been literally hundreds of complaints and they have responded to exactly zero of them reinforces that this is deliberate and they simply do not care that we don't like it.
It hasn't really affected how much I spend on crystals, I still buy them in large packs and use them slowly over a period of several weeks. What it has affected is my enjoyment of the game. I have now more than 10 characters with enough shards to be viable but not enough credits to level them up.
I refuse to reward their actions by buying credit packs. If they do not make it more viable to earn credits in the game somehow, I will just level my characters more slowly.
If they raise the level cap, I will basically be forced to not level any new characters for the next 2 or 3 months. As will many people. This will further increase the community's frustration as we spend all our credits just to try to get back to where we were.
If they keep putting in events and/or game modes that require many characters to be leveled up while providing no viable means to do this, I will then re-evaluate if I want to continue to support this product or not. I absolutely will not pay one plugged nickel to buy credits and reward this blatant greed move.
One thing is for sure: they have greatly harmed their reputation and goodwill among the community by deceiving us about the credit event and then refusing to address any and all criticism of it.

"CronozNL;182834" wrote:
This is ofcourse from a PvP point of view. Why does it matter if you take it slow? You got your main squad maxed already and probably a B and C team. If the meta switches again, don't panic but save up to make those changes.
Does it matter for GW if you have half a roster unranked? Or does it matter for simming battles?

Only thing that makes sense here is PvP because you want to swap out characters to adjust to meta changes like RG is now. I haven't read any reasons why people want it changed, their personal agenda is never spoken of.

That the credit value is cut in half is logic in these games. Again clash of clans has the exact same economy where it is tempting to buy ingame curreny at the start but in no way worth it endgame. Why do people want to rank faster? I for one feel the reward is greater if it took me longer to get there. Investing time (farm) is committing you to this game which is the point.

It's got nothing to do with PVP, this is a game of collecting toons, of using them, and experimenting, having fun with different characters. It's not a game solely about PVP, in fact that is a tiny part of the experience.

The fact is that we ALL want to try different characters but we are being punished for maybe choosing the wrong toons when we started and knew little, or that we want to now level up toons we never had access to before.

Now it's practically impossible to get toons to a decent level, enough to actually be viable without sacraficing our top characters for weeks on end which is ridiculous, to such an extent that is is gimping the entire experience and annoying 100s if not 1000s of players.
It's killing progression and it's killing the game

The point is credits do not increase as the need for them does. Sure they don't have to increase at the same scale, but 300 odd credits for a sim when you're lacking 1.5million to just try get a toon to a point where you can just test them out in a LS/DS is absurd. It's money grabbing, it's immoral and it WILL kill the game we love and enjoy. It's a shame.

Every week the game slips further down the "top grossing" list on iTunes, maybe when it slips out the top 50 the players who love the game will have a voice and be listened to.

Perhaps that's what thy want, to take as much as they can off the franchise and move on?

"papnwors;182729" wrote:

"Qeltar;182269" wrote:

"MackemSLAM;182139" wrote:

Getting the shards and gear is hard enough and expensive enough. Not being able to use them once you have them is just frustrating, and the prohibitive costs of maxing out (already expensive) characters does nothing for diversity and experimentation.

Agreed.
I don't spend real-world cash on non-premium currency in mobile games. Ever.
Make no mistake (and don't listen to bogus "entitlement" claims) -- they deliberately created this situation with multiple moves to reduce credit availability:
- Removing the ability to sell gear with no valid reason (and it was claimed they did this because "they needed the space in the UI", which if true, was obviously not anything imminent).
- Making the credit event 6x worse rather than making it better as they implied they would.
- Reducing the net effect of bonus multipliers even if you buy credit packs.
It was all done on purpose, and entirely to try to squeeze even more money out of a game where they are already making a fortune. Pure, unbridled greed, nothing more, nothing less.

Requoted for absolute truth. Honestly people who disagree either feel like suckers for spending money on credits or just aren't high enough level to understand the problems.

As other have stated and I am in the same boat that people will pay less and less for crystals to unlock toons that just sit there staring at you because you can never afford to level them. Chromium packs have become absolutely useless.

You can unlock them, and sacrifice actually getting some tangible progression but who who do that and neglect a toon of higher level for weeks on end? It's blatantly stupid and it's bad game design, end of story.

^^^ Another sensible post. The credit crunch is causing people to stop spending money on packs/crystals instead of buying credits. They won't increase their spending. Without credits the crystals are useless, so they DECREASE spending on the game....definitely not what we or EA want. We all want a healthy game.