From game files: +10 TM removalEmpire allies gain 30% Offense and have a 25% chance to remove 20% Turn Meter when they damage an enemy.

I'm of the opinion that Darth Vader should be giving non-Empire his leader Bonus. Similar to his Pre-Obi Wan whooping version. :tongue: From the get-go. Let's (if we're not going to address anything else regarding Vader) make this minor tweak take effect from level 1. Vader is arguably the hardest character to max (many players who started this game day one are just NOW getting Vader to 7*), so his leader ability being exclusive kinda sucks.Proposal:All allies gain 30% Offense and have a 25% chance to remove 20% Turn Meter when they damage an enemy.If that's too OP, maybe the end Offense can be tweaked slightly to maybe 25% Offense and 15% TM reduction at max. Let's #MakeVaderGreatAgain

I've brought this up with Conduit internally, but I wanted to chime in with some of the things I've suggested to see community reaction:Darth VaderInspiring Through Fear (Leader) Omega Upgrade: Empire allies have a 25% chance to apply an unresistable DoT effect when using basic attacks.

For vader to be considered over palpatine lead, his lead has to be competitive. 1 in 4 attacks applying a single dot will unfortunately not give anyone a reason to forego palps. Empire are slow as well which compounds the problem. I would say something like the below would be competitive. This is also in line with equivalent rebel leads like mystery character #10:Everytime an empire ally applies a negative status effect to a target, also remove 15% turn meter. This effect cannot be resisted.The unresistable part should be in otherwise you will double roll for the negative status effect and the TMR.

"Josh_K;722376" wrote:For vader to be considered over palpatine lead, his lead has to be competitive. 1 in 4 attacks applying a single dot will unfortunately not give anyone a reason to forego palps. Empire are slow as well which compounds the problem. I would say something like the below would be competitive. This is also in line with equivalent rebel leads like mystery character #10:Everytime an empire ally applies a negative status effect to a target, also remove 15% turn meter. This effect cannot be resisted.The unresistable part should be in otherwise you will double roll for the negative status effect and the TMR.Proposal:All allies gain 30% offense and every time an Empire ally applies a negative status effect to a target, also remove 15% Turn Meter. This effect cannot be resisted.

"Mist_Passiert;728536" wrote:"Josh_K;722376" wrote:For vader to be considered over palpatine lead, his lead has to be competitive. 1 in 4 attacks applying a single dot will unfortunately not give anyone a reason to forego palps. Empire are slow as well which compounds the problem. I would say something like the below would be competitive. This is also in line with equivalent rebel leads like mystery character #10:Everytime an empire ally applies a negative status effect to a target, also remove 15% turn meter. This effect cannot be resisted.The unresistable part should be in otherwise you will double roll for the negative status effect and the TMR.Proposal:All allies gain 30% offense and every time an Empire ally applies a negative status effect to a target, also remove 15% Turn Meter. This effect cannot be resisted.Motion to make Mist's proposal happen. This is game changing for Empire teams seeing how often they apply debuffs. The current 25% chance to apply a debuff is very weak and would give no reason to turn down Palpatine leading over DV.

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MistPassiert
9 years ago
I'm of the opinion that Darth Vader should be giving non-Empire his leader Bonus. Similar to his Pre-Obi Wan whooping version. :tongue: From the get-go. Let's (if we're not going to address anything else regarding Vader) make this minor tweak take effect from level 1. Vader is arguably the hardest character to max (many players who started this game day one are just NOW getting Vader to 7*), so his leader ability being exclusive kinda sucks.
Proposal:

All allies gain 30% Offense and have a 25% chance to remove 20% Turn Meter when they damage an enemy.

If that's too OP, maybe the end Offense can be tweaked slightly to maybe 25% Offense and 15% TM reduction at max. Let's #MakeVaderGreatAgain
CapGaSP
9 years ago
I've brought this up with Conduit internally, but I wanted to chime in with some of the things I've suggested to see community reaction:

Darth Vader

Inspiring Through Fear (Leader) Omega Upgrade: Empire allies have a 25% chance to apply an unresistable DoT effect when using basic attacks.
x0797mjs3
9 years ago
For vader to be considered over palpatine lead, his lead has to be competitive. 1 in 4 attacks applying a single dot will unfortunately not give anyone a reason to forego palps. Empire are slow as well which compounds the problem.

I would say something like the below would be competitive. This is also in line with equivalent rebel leads like mystery character #10:

Everytime an empire ally applies a negative status effect to a target, also remove 15% turn meter. This effect cannot be resisted.

The unresistable part should be in otherwise you will double roll for the negative status effect and the TMR.
MistPassiert
9 years ago
"Josh_K;722376" wrote:
For vader to be considered over palpatine lead, his lead has to be competitive. 1 in 4 attacks applying a single dot will unfortunately not give anyone a reason to forego palps. Empire are slow as well which compounds the problem.

I would say something like the below would be competitive. This is also in line with equivalent rebel leads like mystery character #10:

Everytime an empire ally applies a negative status effect to a target, also remove 15% turn meter. This effect cannot be resisted.

The unresistable part should be in otherwise you will double roll for the negative status effect and the TMR.

Proposal:

All allies gain 30% offense and every time an Empire ally applies a negative status effect to a target, also remove 15% Turn Meter. This effect cannot be resisted.
xAhnaldT101x
9 years ago
"Mist_Passiert;728536" wrote:
"Josh_K;722376" wrote:
For vader to be considered over palpatine lead, his lead has to be competitive. 1 in 4 attacks applying a single dot will unfortunately not give anyone a reason to forego palps. Empire are slow as well which compounds the problem.

I would say something like the below would be competitive. This is also in line with equivalent rebel leads like mystery character #10:

Everytime an empire ally applies a negative status effect to a target, also remove 15% turn meter. This effect cannot be resisted.

The unresistable part should be in otherwise you will double roll for the negative status effect and the TMR.

Proposal:

All allies gain 30% offense and every time an Empire ally applies a negative status effect to a target, also remove 15% Turn Meter. This effect cannot be resisted.

Motion to make Mist's proposal happen. This is game changing for Empire teams seeing how often they apply debuffs. The current 25% chance to apply a debuff is very weak and would give no reason to turn down Palpatine leading over DV.
pcx99
9 years ago
Adding an unresistable dot is like 88's leader. Empire just needs more damage output, I'd consider...

Empire and Sith allies have a 25% chance to gain 75% turn meter when performing a basic attack. Doubled if the target has a damage over time debuff.
MistPassiert
9 years ago
"CG_Conduit23;744681" wrote:
+25% Turn Meter Reduction Chance, +10% Turn Meter Reduction, each time an ally uses an ability they gain 5% Turn Meter for each Damage Over Time effect on the primary target

Awesome. Might even make Vader an attractive option in place of EP.
pcx99
9 years ago
"CG_Conduit23;744681" wrote:
+25% Turn Meter Reduction Chance, +10% Turn Meter Reduction, each time an ally uses an ability they gain 5% Turn Meter for each Damage Over Time effect on the primary target

Awesome. Although it's going to add some complexity to earth vader's special. It's also going to be tough to decide between Vader and emp as the leader.
x0797mjs3
9 years ago
Does palps passive damage work here for tm reduction? This would be very strong and completely competitive with his own lead
MistPassiert
9 years ago
"Josh_K;745725" wrote:
Does palps passive damage work here for tm reduction? This would be very strong and completely competitive with his own lead

This could make a Vader lead completely viable and competitive! I firmly believe that Vader should definitely be one of those characters who is top tier. Especially since it's taken many people more than a year to get him to 7*. I'm at 96/100 and have only seen two Vader shipments in Shard Shop in the last 2 months. If Vader gets a potency boost from his new gear (which I don't think he gets much of one, I ran into a 7* Gear 11 Vader in GW last night) it could help offset the potency boost from Palp's lead.