From game files: +10 TM removalEmpire allies gain 30% Offense and have a 25% chance to remove 20% Turn Meter when they damage an enemy.

I'm of the opinion that Darth Vader should be giving non-Empire his leader Bonus. Similar to his Pre-Obi Wan whooping version. :tongue: From the get-go. Let's (if we're not going to address anything else regarding Vader) make this minor tweak take effect from level 1. Vader is arguably the hardest character to max (many players who started this game day one are just NOW getting Vader to 7*), so his leader ability being exclusive kinda sucks.Proposal:All allies gain 30% Offense and have a 25% chance to remove 20% Turn Meter when they damage an enemy.If that's too OP, maybe the end Offense can be tweaked slightly to maybe 25% Offense and 15% TM reduction at max. Let's #MakeVaderGreatAgain

I've brought this up with Conduit internally, but I wanted to chime in with some of the things I've suggested to see community reaction:Darth VaderInspiring Through Fear (Leader) Omega Upgrade: Empire allies have a 25% chance to apply an unresistable DoT effect when using basic attacks.

For vader to be considered over palpatine lead, his lead has to be competitive. 1 in 4 attacks applying a single dot will unfortunately not give anyone a reason to forego palps. Empire are slow as well which compounds the problem. I would say something like the below would be competitive. This is also in line with equivalent rebel leads like mystery character #10:Everytime an empire ally applies a negative status effect to a target, also remove 15% turn meter. This effect cannot be resisted.The unresistable part should be in otherwise you will double roll for the negative status effect and the TMR.

"Josh_K;722376" wrote:For vader to be considered over palpatine lead, his lead has to be competitive. 1 in 4 attacks applying a single dot will unfortunately not give anyone a reason to forego palps. Empire are slow as well which compounds the problem. I would say something like the below would be competitive. This is also in line with equivalent rebel leads like mystery character #10:Everytime an empire ally applies a negative status effect to a target, also remove 15% turn meter. This effect cannot be resisted.The unresistable part should be in otherwise you will double roll for the negative status effect and the TMR.Proposal:All allies gain 30% offense and every time an Empire ally applies a negative status effect to a target, also remove 15% Turn Meter. This effect cannot be resisted.

"Mist_Passiert;728536" wrote:"Josh_K;722376" wrote:For vader to be considered over palpatine lead, his lead has to be competitive. 1 in 4 attacks applying a single dot will unfortunately not give anyone a reason to forego palps. Empire are slow as well which compounds the problem. I would say something like the below would be competitive. This is also in line with equivalent rebel leads like mystery character #10:Everytime an empire ally applies a negative status effect to a target, also remove 15% turn meter. This effect cannot be resisted.The unresistable part should be in otherwise you will double roll for the negative status effect and the TMR.Proposal:All allies gain 30% offense and every time an Empire ally applies a negative status effect to a target, also remove 15% Turn Meter. This effect cannot be resisted.Motion to make Mist's proposal happen. This is game changing for Empire teams seeing how often they apply debuffs. The current 25% chance to apply a debuff is very weak and would give no reason to turn down Palpatine leading over DV.

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pcx99
9 years ago
"CG_Conduit23;754014" wrote:
+25% Turn Meter Reduction Chance, +10% Turn Meter Reduction, Damage Over Time effects also cause enemies to lose 5% Speed each

I hope a speed debuff will show for this. But bringing the opponents down to vaders level is pretty cool. There's a potential interaction here with Vader and Tuskegee shaman, but mostly because shaman is a little bugged in that his dots go one, two, four, eight.... you could potentially perma stun an opponent particularly if you don't make raid bosses immune to this mechanic.

Btw, if you ever do fix shaman, he needs a little teeth in return as his bugged dots are the only thing that make him even remotely usable.
x0797mjs3
9 years ago
What about when Damage Over Time is dispelled by culling blade? Does this count as expiry? Potential here for continuously escalating damage in raids. This is limited by a lot of factors like ability cooldown though. Lots of potential here if we can make sure its not exploitable.
xAhnaldT101x
9 years ago
YES! I just did an in-depth review a few days ago and this addresses many of my concerns about Vader especially with culling blade being avoidable. If that move can stick every time he will be shining. The leader ability is super tempting to replace Palpatine as a lead and I would be 100% sold if we could ensure Vader was faster so that he is more active in battle. Overall though, I love the direction this leader ability has headed towards.
x0797mjs3
9 years ago
Very interesting. I like this one. How would tenacity affect reapplication?
x0797mjs3
9 years ago
Awesome. How about debuff inversion? Surely a million hots would be pretty funny.
pcx99
9 years ago
"CG_Conduit23;756736" wrote:
Expired via time, Culling Blade, enemy dispels, anything! DoTs forever!

(This one is currently getting a lot of raid testing.)

Have your qa test Vader in a teebo rancor team. I think where it's not possible for the boss to take a turn you might break the user interface, if only by hiding critical debuffs like tenacity down and slow that the user needs to be aware of.
Maraxus2016
8 years ago
Debuff inversion ftw... Thanks GK
scuba75
Seasoned Rookie
8 years ago
"Maraxus;769287" wrote:
Debuff inversion ftw... Thanks GK

It sounds like to me you would gain the HoT's but the Dot's would still come back.
that is a lot of status effects
Maraxus2016
8 years ago
Could Geospy become relevant?!
x0797mjs3
8 years ago
Looks like the sith part of the zeta ability doesnt work. @CG_Conduit23