Difficulty vs Enjoyment, same thing or different concepts?

I absolutely love being crushed in a new event.

If I can walk into an event and makeup a team based on outside knowledge of the event (non game play), and then drive the train right through it, I am just a little let down.

That being said, I like to play the game, I would very easily have never stopped slugging through the old GW every day for the rewards we have today. TM loaded, taunt ignoring events get me going, I love seeing the unexpected, learning on my feet while feeling off balance. Added skills to new content that just make "the old tricks", well old and not useful. I dont want to rebuild a pit TMR team to take on a new challenge.

I also know as an "elder player" that I have a decent roster to fall back on and understand that people who are " at the same level" as far as requirements for an event/raid go may not have the same breath in their roster and things like this can be frustrating because they just dont see or dont have the path to complete it. That is what I would think makes things interesting from the development side of things.

I think many lose sight of the fact that it's ok to not get something the first time, half the fun is figuring it out.IMHO

Long loyal player here since Dec'15 but i have to disagree with Kyno. Make an event difficult, sure. But it shouldnt be absolutely crushing even g12 well-modded teams (e.g. Thrawn mythic phoenixes anyone?). Things should be benchmarked against similar events, so mythic events should generally be of similar difficulty.

"catharsis478;c-1535734" wrote:
While SW:GOH is a mobile game, those of us on the forums and in the more intense guilds are gamers. If something is challenging--that's to say difficult in a fun and/or engaging way--we tend to enjoy it. When things seem unfair, or break the mechanics we have come to know and rely on, or is just tuned poorly--pre-loading TM in certain Mythic events; characters that shouldn't be able to ignoring taunt; ridiculous amounts of health that doesn't seem to consider the level of threat represented; stacking tenacity and speed while stealing protection--eventually just feels tedious. By all means, throw difficult content at us, but don't be surprised that we hate it when your idea of difficult is cheesy mechanics that undermine what we have and over-tuning speed/health/protection, etc.

A lot of sense there- good post, thank you.

"JacenRoe;c-1535758" wrote:
As long as there are things to do at my level, and things to work towards I'm not going to get too mad about it.

I think you've just nailed it.

I have read many say or refer to "RvR" Risk versus reward, and really in events there is no risk other than time. You don't lose energy for failing. That said, the difficulty curve can be a bit vicious. But none of this speaks to what I want, and what is missing, for me. "Gimli: Certainty of death. Small chance of success. What are we waiting for?." The rally, the culmination of the story. The heroes pull together and get it done. I grew up with heroes. That is what is missing for me. When you know going in, the deck is stacked against you, and all you have learned is useless. It can be disenchanting. Now, I don't mind learning new tricks and stretching myself, but reaching an impasse, a planned impasse and having to walk away, and either open my wallet, or give up, takes me out of the RPG aspect and reminds me of my mortality and frailties. Ok, so how can the game deliver this for me, the culmination of the heroic arc?

"Kyno;c-1535859" wrote:

"Eddiemundie;c-1535756" wrote:
Long loyal player here since Dec'15 but i have to disagree with Kyno. Make an event difficult, sure. But it shouldnt be absolutely crushing even g12 well-modded teams (e.g. Thrawn mythic phoenixes anyone?). Things should be benchmarked against similar events, so mythic events should generally be of similar difficulty.

In part my comments reflect that I also dont care about how they setup the challenge. If they feel a a string of attacks puts us on the defensive in a way that they desire, I'm ok with that.

I'm a big fan of events putting us on your heels and in away we are not used to.

I'm also ok with losing, even with a team of g12 toons ,but that is definitely just me.

I think what some may feel is, trial and error is fine. But sometimes the deck is stacked against you, to increase revenues, not enjoyment. Some mechanics are a tad obvious. "Your hero is passe, but our new and improved..".

I enjoy a fair challenge. I think games are most fun when you have a set number of rules that are followed, so that you can determine exactly what you need to do to succeed within those rules.

I think a problem in this game currently is that the devs are consistently breaking the rules of the game to give us a challenge. Somewhat in the sith raid with bosses immune to everything, and moreso in the special events with all kinds of hidden abilities and buffs.

At least in the sith raid, all the new rules are detailed for you to read. You have to read Reddit to learn the mechanics of the special events.

I really wanted 20 wampa shards in the last event. I honestly think my bh were good enough to win if I swapped in mods. But I estimated the total time to win, mod the toons correctly, then replace all the mods would be about two hours. I decided not to do it just because that sounded like a really unfun two hours.

That's the first time I've skipped something I could've gotten in this game. That's my choice of course, but I know the devs want engagement in the game, and content worked on and released that reduces engagement is probably not what they're going for.

For me I do love a challenge. I think this community really shines when there is a challenge and people who have beat it give insights to squads, kill orders and such.
But there’s differences right?
I don’t want to Solo the Sith raid out the gate.

But an event that requires my fav faction or certain toons that I suped up I expect to beat it but give props to devs who make me think about and play around with different comps.

Also with mythic events I don’t mind that opponents are loaded with tm or tenacity because it’s a bonus. ESP the legendary mythics. You got the legendary toon 2 zetas can be recouped in a few days.

If my team is g12 max arena mods with a bunch of zetas and I’m getting my keester handed to me there’s probably a bug. But like Kyno my roster is pretty deep over 2 years playing this game. And if I’m having a crazy time that means the forums are on fire. (Not trying to sound conceited here)

I do think the immediacy of this game has changed, the stakes feel like they are so much higher for other players. Idk if that’s the “missing out” factor or just how the game moved along. This started with CLS I think, and then towards LSTB where CLS was required. I think it elevated the stakes of what happens when you miss out. So with one toon released you had the possibility of missing out raid rewards and a requirement with lstb not to mention falling far in arena. But there are always counters. And I think that’s when guilds kind of had those toon requirements come in and have members feeling slighted.

A great example of this was the Yoda legendary (this how I actually learned how to farm correctly)
Wasn’t eligible the 1st time. Unlocked at 5* the 2nd time. When the 3rd time rolled around yoda was nuts! I think there was like a level cap increase or something. I couldn’t beat it at all. Like no shot, it was so frustrating. Devs scaled it back and I played and beat it like way too easy didn’t feel rewarding at all. But there were no stakes to it. My guild didn’t cut me for not having him. Same for palp, I didn’t get him at all till the 2nd time. The counter to that it’s a game and this game has the hard task of trying to cater to a very ranged player base. As a recruiter I would love for a way to have newer players to up theor rosters faster. (Maybe PHX as a starter team) but as a player at my level I don’t want to just sim this latest event for Ewoks I already have 7* and mods that will not even go on pilots I don’t use. It’s a hard balance and I think the devs do a great job with it.

Tldr- time and/or money will advance you in this game, choose which works best for you. Events always come back. We build our rosters everyday, brick by brick.

Ps. Sorry for the long post. I am doing my best to procrastinate studying for the GRE. :)

These events are becoming tiresome. They are about having the right toons already geared, leveled and maxed out. Clearly the rewards do not warrant investing into certain toons to beat one event. I am pay to play and find myself continuously frustrated in the amount of money it takes to get toons for just these events. There is less and less strategy being utilized and more cash dump. And not worth rewards and time.

"Vinny_Vader_Vedi;c-1535934" wrote:
For me I do love a challenge. I think this community really shines when there is a challenge and people who have beat it give insights to squads, kill orders and such.
But there’s differences right?
I don’t want to Solo the Sith raid out the gate.

But an event that requires my fav faction or certain toons that I suped up I expect to beat it but give props to devs who make me think about and play around with different comps.

Also with mythic events I don’t mind that opponents are loaded with tm or tenacity because it’s a bonus. ESP the legendary mythics. You got the legendary toon 2 zetas can be recouped in a few days.

If my team is g12 max arena mods with a bunch of zetas and I’m getting my keester handed to me there’s probably a bug. But like Kyno my roster is pretty deep over 2 years playing this game. And if I’m having a crazy time that means the forums are on fire. (Not trying to sound conceited here)

I do think the immediacy of this game has changed, the stakes feel like they are so much higher for other players. Idk if that’s the “missing out” factor or just how the game moved along. This started with CLS I think, and then towards LSTB where CLS was required. I think it elevated the stakes of what happens when you miss out. So with one toon released you had the possibility of missing out raid rewards and a requirement with lstb not to mention falling far in arena. But there are always counters. And I think that’s when guilds kind of had those toon requirements come in and have members feeling slighted.

A great example of this was the Yoda legendary (this how I actually learned how to farm correctly)
Wasn’t eligible the 1st time. Unlocked at 5* the 2nd time. When the 3rd time rolled around yoda was nuts! I think there was like a level cap increase or something. I couldn’t beat it at all. Like no shot, it was so frustrating. Devs scaled it back and I played and beat it like way too easy didn’t feel rewarding at all. But there were no stakes to it. My guild didn’t cut me for not having him. Same for palp, I didn’t get him at all till the 2nd time. The counter to that it’s a game and this game has the hard task of trying to cater to a very ranged player base. As a recruiter I would love for a way to have newer players to up theor rosters faster. (Maybe PHX as a starter team) but as a player at my level I don’t want to just sim this latest event for Ewoks I already have 7* and mods that will not even go on pilots I don’t use. It’s a hard balance and I think the devs do a great job with it.

Tldr- time and/or money will advance you in this game, choose which works best for you. Events always come back. We build our rosters everyday, brick by brick.

Ps. Sorry for the long post. I am doing my best to procrastinate studying for the GRE. :)

Good luck on your GRE, oh.. one word, decafe lol couldn't resist.