Doubling relic gear requirement madness

"MaruMaru;c-2398890" wrote:

"nfidel2k;c-2398889" wrote:

"MaruMaru;c-2398886" wrote:

"nfidel2k;c-2398880" wrote:

"MaruMaru;c-2398878" wrote:
They should have %100 sent ingame notice a few times leading to this period. I also didn't want be forced scrap all those gear. Now I ended up getting short of haat gear that wasn't a smidge of a concern before. It was cg's responsibility to figure out a way so that people didn't get double the gear (since this is something cg doesn't want) but also retain the value of what they had without having to do anything. Neither of these things happened. And I'm rather sure that nothing like compensation or even a response about an issue they incured on some unlucky portion of the playerbase will happen. My suggestion would be to either bombard support or just come into terms with happened.

While I agree that an in game notice would have been a good idea, I disagree with everything else. CG is not obligated to do anything you seem to think, especially since they posted it in the forums. If people choose not to get or be involved, then they also give up the right to be personally notified. This mentality that CG needed to notify everyone is like saying they have to mail everyone the event calendar, or the roadmaps.

If anyone is upset they lost half of their unused relic scrap hoard, then tell them to start checking the forums so they know what is coming up.

Many notifications send you towards forums "to check in more detail". There doesn't need to be wall of text in game and there never is. If there is nothing such, is it really a normal expectation to check forums at random times -just in case-?

And ofc social diffusion of this information covered a good portion of the playerbase, especially the regulars. This is not akin to a calendar or road map. Those things doesn't actively do any changes to what you have. Since no such notification happened, what would you propose to the effected population being unaware due to something cg didn't do? I'm guessing "git gud" is incoming.

To your first question, yes. That’s what being involved means. You stick your head in the sand, fine, but then don’t complain you weren’t notified when it was posted. A lot of things work this way, most notably government. When they pass a new law that you are expected to obey, they don’t mail you a copy. At least not here they don’t. They post it publicly, and after that, including in court proceedings, it is your responsibility to be aware of it.

To your second question, see above. Guildmates can spread the word, or people can get involved at least reading the forums. And, as I stated before, it would have been a good move to do an in game mail, but it’s not CGs fault if they made the information publicly available ahead of time and a group (whatever size) chose to skip it. Definitely not a compensation thing or even a screw up on CG’s part.

Let's not hyperbole to irrelevant things. Being involved or in this case you actually mean being a regular or a forumer shouldn't be a requirement to properly play a mobile game, being a casual doesn't mean that you are now open hunt season and it's all on you. It needed to be posted as an ingame notification which directs to the forums for further details. Didn't happen. End of story.

Naturally you are aware I can't possibly be someone that's effected not knowing about it.

Yes, but that doesn’t change the fact that if people want to know about changes like this, all they have to do is hit mail, then forums, and read.

Could CG have done more? Yes. Was CG required to do more? No. So no compensation, and IMO blame goes to the accounts with their head in the sand over CG.

"nfidel2k;c-2398891" wrote:

"MaruMaru;c-2398890" wrote:

"nfidel2k;c-2398889" wrote:

"MaruMaru;c-2398886" wrote:

"nfidel2k;c-2398880" wrote:

"MaruMaru;c-2398878" wrote:
They should have %100 sent ingame notice a few times leading to this period. I also didn't want be forced scrap all those gear. Now I ended up getting short of haat gear that wasn't a smidge of a concern before. It was cg's responsibility to figure out a way so that people didn't get double the gear (since this is something cg doesn't want) but also retain the value of what they had without having to do anything. Neither of these things happened. And I'm rather sure that nothing like compensation or even a response about an issue they incured on some unlucky portion of the playerbase will happen. My suggestion would be to either bombard support or just come into terms with happened.

While I agree that an in game notice would have been a good idea, I disagree with everything else. CG is not obligated to do anything you seem to think, especially since they posted it in the forums. If people choose not to get or be involved, then they also give up the right to be personally notified. This mentality that CG needed to notify everyone is like saying they have to mail everyone the event calendar, or the roadmaps.

If anyone is upset they lost half of their unused relic scrap hoard, then tell them to start checking the forums so they know what is coming up.

Many notifications send you towards forums "to check in more detail". There doesn't need to be wall of text in game and there never is. If there is nothing such, is it really a normal expectation to check forums at random times -just in case-?

And ofc social diffusion of this information covered a good portion of the playerbase, especially the regulars. This is not akin to a calendar or road map. Those things doesn't actively do any changes to what you have. Since no such notification happened, what would you propose to the effected population being unaware due to something cg didn't do? I'm guessing "git gud" is incoming.

To your first question, yes. That’s what being involved means. You stick your head in the sand, fine, but then don’t complain you weren’t notified when it was posted. A lot of things work this way, most notably government. When they pass a new law that you are expected to obey, they don’t mail you a copy. At least not here they don’t. They post it publicly, and after that, including in court proceedings, it is your responsibility to be aware of it.

To your second question, see above. Guildmates can spread the word, or people can get involved at least reading the forums. And, as I stated before, it would have been a good move to do an in game mail, but it’s not CGs fault if they made the information publicly available ahead of time and a group (whatever size) chose to skip it. Definitely not a compensation thing or even a screw up on CG’s part.

Let's not hyperbole to irrelevant things. Being involved or in this case you actually mean being a regular or a forumer shouldn't be a requirement to properly play a mobile game, being a casual doesn't mean that you are now open hunt season and it's all on you. It needed to be posted as an ingame notification which directs to the forums for further details. Didn't happen. End of story.

Naturally you are aware I can't possibly be someone that's effected not knowing about it.

Yes, but that doesn’t change the fact that if people want to know about changes like this, all they have to do is hit mail, then forums, and read.

Could CG have done more? Yes. Was CG required to do more? No. So no compensation, and IMO blame goes to the accounts with their head in the sand over CG.

I think yours is an odd point. CG decided to make a notable change to gear but as far as you're concerned they had no obligation to notify people in game. And yet there is an in-game messaging system that CG uses for other things.

Clearly CG had no such requirement to do so, I don't that is being argued. But I think a fair argument can be made that they should have done so.

"AlexanderG;c-2398893" wrote:

"nfidel2k;c-2398891" wrote:

"MaruMaru;c-2398890" wrote:

"nfidel2k;c-2398889" wrote:

"MaruMaru;c-2398886" wrote:

"nfidel2k;c-2398880" wrote:

"MaruMaru;c-2398878" wrote:
They should have %100 sent ingame notice a few times leading to this period. I also didn't want be forced scrap all those gear. Now I ended up getting short of haat gear that wasn't a smidge of a concern before. It was cg's responsibility to figure out a way so that people didn't get double the gear (since this is something cg doesn't want) but also retain the value of what they had without having to do anything. Neither of these things happened. And I'm rather sure that nothing like compensation or even a response about an issue they incured on some unlucky portion of the playerbase will happen. My suggestion would be to either bombard support or just come into terms with happened.

While I agree that an in game notice would have been a good idea, I disagree with everything else. CG is not obligated to do anything you seem to think, especially since they posted it in the forums. If people choose not to get or be involved, then they also give up the right to be personally notified. This mentality that CG needed to notify everyone is like saying they have to mail everyone the event calendar, or the roadmaps.

If anyone is upset they lost half of their unused relic scrap hoard, then tell them to start checking the forums so they know what is coming up.

Many notifications send you towards forums "to check in more detail". There doesn't need to be wall of text in game and there never is. If there is nothing such, is it really a normal expectation to check forums at random times -just in case-?

And ofc social diffusion of this information covered a good portion of the playerbase, especially the regulars. This is not akin to a calendar or road map. Those things doesn't actively do any changes to what you have. Since no such notification happened, what would you propose to the effected population being unaware due to something cg didn't do? I'm guessing "git gud" is incoming.

To your first question, yes. That’s what being involved means. You stick your head in the sand, fine, but then don’t complain you weren’t notified when it was posted. A lot of things work this way, most notably government. When they pass a new law that you are expected to obey, they don’t mail you a copy. At least not here they don’t. They post it publicly, and after that, including in court proceedings, it is your responsibility to be aware of it.

To your second question, see above. Guildmates can spread the word, or people can get involved at least reading the forums. And, as I stated before, it would have been a good move to do an in game mail, but it’s not CGs fault if they made the information publicly available ahead of time and a group (whatever size) chose to skip it. Definitely not a compensation thing or even a screw up on CG’s part.

Let's not hyperbole to irrelevant things. Being involved or in this case you actually mean being a regular or a forumer shouldn't be a requirement to properly play a mobile game, being a casual doesn't mean that you are now open hunt season and it's all on you. It needed to be posted as an ingame notification which directs to the forums for further details. Didn't happen. End of story.

Naturally you are aware I can't possibly be someone that's effected not knowing about it.

Yes, but that doesn’t change the fact that if people want to know about changes like this, all they have to do is hit mail, then forums, and read.

Could CG have done more? Yes. Was CG required to do more? No. So no compensation, and IMO blame goes to the accounts with their head in the sand over CG.

I think yours is an odd point. CG decided to make a notable change to gear but as far as you're concerned they had no obligation to notify people in game. And yet there is an in-game messaging system that CG uses for other things.

Clearly CG had no such requirement to do so, I don't that is being argued. But I think a fair argument can be made that they should have done so.

Not as far as I am concerned; it’s as far as the User Agreement every account signs to play. You can read it yourself in the gear icon, under legal.

And no it’s not a fair argument, because ignorance isn’t an excuse. Hopefully the accounts that care start checking the forums. But complaining that CG should have done more instead of the accounts doing more is backwards. CG made it public, and far enough in advance. Stop trying to blame them.

"nfidel2k;c-2398889" wrote:

"MaruMaru;c-2398886" wrote:

"nfidel2k;c-2398880" wrote:

"MaruMaru;c-2398878" wrote:
They should have %100 sent ingame notice a few times leading to this period. I also didn't want be forced scrap all those gear. Now I ended up getting short of haat gear that wasn't a smidge of a concern before. It was cg's responsibility to figure out a way so that people didn't get double the gear (since this is something cg doesn't want) but also retain the value of what they had without having to do anything. Neither of these things happened. And I'm rather sure that nothing like compensation or even a response about an issue they incured on some unlucky portion of the playerbase will happen. My suggestion would be to either bombard support or just come into terms with happened.

While I agree that an in game notice would have been a good idea, I disagree with everything else. CG is not obligated to do anything you seem to think, especially since they posted it in the forums. If people choose not to get or be involved, then they also give up the right to be personally notified. This mentality that CG needed to notify everyone is like saying they have to mail everyone the event calendar, or the roadmaps.

If anyone is upset they lost half of their unused relic scrap hoard, then tell them to start checking the forums so they know what is coming up.

Many notifications send you towards forums "to check in more detail". There doesn't need to be wall of text in game and there never is. If there is nothing such, is it really a normal expectation to check forums at random times -just in case-?

And ofc social diffusion of this information covered a good portion of the playerbase, especially the regulars. This is not akin to a calendar or road map. Those things doesn't actively do any changes to what you have. Since no such notification happened, what would you propose to the effected population being unaware due to something cg didn't do? I'm guessing "git gud" is incoming.

To your first question, yes. That’s what being involved means. You stick your head in the sand, fine, but then don’t complain you weren’t notified when it was posted. A lot of things work this way, most notably government. When they pass a new law that you are expected to obey, they don’t mail you a copy. At least not here they don’t. They post it publicly, and after that, including in court proceedings, it is your responsibility to be aware of it.

To your second question, see above. Guildmates can spread the word, or people can get involved at least reading the forums. And, as I stated before, it would have been a good move to do an in game mail, but it’s not CGs fault if they made the information publicly available ahead of time and a group (whatever size) chose to skip it. Definitely not a compensation thing or even a screw up on CG’s part.

In my country, everything official from the governnent is published in the same place. You don't have to search in forums for user help. So your comparison is not valid.
I'm glad I come to the forum (thanks to all my English teachers), and I'm sorry for all those who don't. They should have been warned in game.

"MaruMaru;c-2398898" wrote:

"nfidel2k;c-2398897" wrote:

"AlexanderG;c-2398893" wrote:

"nfidel2k;c-2398891" wrote:

"MaruMaru;c-2398890" wrote:

"nfidel2k;c-2398889" wrote:

"MaruMaru;c-2398886" wrote:

"nfidel2k;c-2398880" wrote:

"MaruMaru;c-2398878" wrote:
They should have %100 sent ingame notice a few times leading to this period. I also didn't want be forced scrap all those gear. Now I ended up getting short of haat gear that wasn't a smidge of a concern before. It was cg's responsibility to figure out a way so that people didn't get double the gear (since this is something cg doesn't want) but also retain the value of what they had without having to do anything. Neither of these things happened. And I'm rather sure that nothing like compensation or even a response about an issue they incured on some unlucky portion of the playerbase will happen. My suggestion would be to either bombard support or just come into terms with happened.

While I agree that an in game notice would have been a good idea, I disagree with everything else. CG is not obligated to do anything you seem to think, especially since they posted it in the forums. If people choose not to get or be involved, then they also give up the right to be personally notified. This mentality that CG needed to notify everyone is like saying they have to mail everyone the event calendar, or the roadmaps.

If anyone is upset they lost half of their unused relic scrap hoard, then tell them to start checking the forums so they know what is coming up.

Many notifications send you towards forums "to check in more detail". There doesn't need to be wall of text in game and there never is. If there is nothing such, is it really a normal expectation to check forums at random times -just in case-?

And ofc social diffusion of this information covered a good portion of the playerbase, especially the regulars. This is not akin to a calendar or road map. Those things doesn't actively do any changes to what you have. Since no such notification happened, what would you propose to the effected population being unaware due to something cg didn't do? I'm guessing "git gud" is incoming.

To your first question, yes. That’s what being involved means. You stick your head in the sand, fine, but then don’t complain you weren’t notified when it was posted. A lot of things work this way, most notably government. When they pass a new law that you are expected to obey, they don’t mail you a copy. At least not here they don’t. They post it publicly, and after that, including in court proceedings, it is your responsibility to be aware of it.

To your second question, see above. Guildmates can spread the word, or people can get involved at least reading the forums. And, as I stated before, it would have been a good move to do an in game mail, but it’s not CGs fault if they made the information publicly available ahead of time and a group (whatever size) chose to skip it. Definitely not a compensation thing or even a screw up on CG’s part.

Let's not hyperbole to irrelevant things. Being involved or in this case you actually mean being a regular or a forumer shouldn't be a requirement to properly play a mobile game, being a casual doesn't mean that you are now open hunt season and it's all on you. It needed to be posted as an ingame notification which directs to the forums for further details. Didn't happen. End of story.

Naturally you are aware I can't possibly be someone that's effected not knowing about it.

Yes, but that doesn’t change the fact that if people want to know about changes like this, all they have to do is hit mail, then forums, and read.

Could CG have done more? Yes. Was CG required to do more? No. So no compensation, and IMO blame goes to the accounts with their head in the sand over CG.

I think yours is an odd point. CG decided to make a notable change to gear but as far as you're concerned they had no obligation to notify people in game. And yet there is an in-game messaging system that CG uses for other things.

Clearly CG had no such requirement to do so, I don't that is being argued. But I think a fair argument can be made that they should have done so.

Not as far as I am concerned; it’s as far as the User Agreement every account signs to play. You can read it yourself in the gear icon, under legal.

And no it’s not a fair argument, because ignorance isn’t an excuse. Hopefully the accounts that care start checking the forums. But complaining that CG should have done more instead of the accounts doing more is backwards. CG made it public, and far enough in advance. Stop trying to blame them.

What has legality have to do with it? Are people sueing EA because their gear lost value? By the same token of that agreement they can simply delete your account as well...which is by your logic legit. That agreement also has absolutely nothing specific to this game, it's just a "get our corporate backs covered on all fronts, so noone can do nothing about anything but we have every right to do whatever we want" agreement.

I don’t know how or why you keep misreading my posts.

Per the original post I quoted, you assigned responsibility to CG. You also mentioned compensation. As I have stated, and even provided a real world example for, neither applies here.

It’s not about legal or not, that’s just where the agreement is located. And the agreement is not only a legal tool, but it also defines what is the user’s responsibility and what is CG’s. And CG didn’t screw up, so compensation doesn’t apply.

You disagree, fine. I won’t keep going back and forth about personal responsibility. I’ve said it before; just because CG could do something doesn’t mean they had to do it, or that you should be compensated because they didn’t. Would it have been nice? Yes, but it didn’t happen so that’s it.

"nfidel2k;c-2398897" wrote:

"AlexanderG;c-2398893" wrote:

"nfidel2k;c-2398891" wrote:

"MaruMaru;c-2398890" wrote:

"nfidel2k;c-2398889" wrote:

"MaruMaru;c-2398886" wrote:

"nfidel2k;c-2398880" wrote:

"MaruMaru;c-2398878" wrote:
They should have %100 sent ingame notice a few times leading to this period. I also didn't want be forced scrap all those gear. Now I ended up getting short of haat gear that wasn't a smidge of a concern before. It was cg's responsibility to figure out a way so that people didn't get double the gear (since this is something cg doesn't want) but also retain the value of what they had without having to do anything. Neither of these things happened. And I'm rather sure that nothing like compensation or even a response about an issue they incured on some unlucky portion of the playerbase will happen. My suggestion would be to either bombard support or just come into terms with happened.

While I agree that an in game notice would have been a good idea, I disagree with everything else. CG is not obligated to do anything you seem to think, especially since they posted it in the forums. If people choose not to get or be involved, then they also give up the right to be personally notified. This mentality that CG needed to notify everyone is like saying they have to mail everyone the event calendar, or the roadmaps.

If anyone is upset they lost half of their unused relic scrap hoard, then tell them to start checking the forums so they know what is coming up.

Many notifications send you towards forums "to check in more detail". There doesn't need to be wall of text in game and there never is. If there is nothing such, is it really a normal expectation to check forums at random times -just in case-?

And ofc social diffusion of this information covered a good portion of the playerbase, especially the regulars. This is not akin to a calendar or road map. Those things doesn't actively do any changes to what you have. Since no such notification happened, what would you propose to the effected population being unaware due to something cg didn't do? I'm guessing "git gud" is incoming.

To your first question, yes. That’s what being involved means. You stick your head in the sand, fine, but then don’t complain you weren’t notified when it was posted. A lot of things work this way, most notably government. When they pass a new law that you are expected to obey, they don’t mail you a copy. At least not here they don’t. They post it publicly, and after that, including in court proceedings, it is your responsibility to be aware of it.

To your second question, see above. Guildmates can spread the word, or people can get involved at least reading the forums. And, as I stated before, it would have been a good move to do an in game mail, but it’s not CGs fault if they made the information publicly available ahead of time and a group (whatever size) chose to skip it. Definitely not a compensation thing or even a screw up on CG’s part.

Let's not hyperbole to irrelevant things. Being involved or in this case you actually mean being a regular or a forumer shouldn't be a requirement to properly play a mobile game, being a casual doesn't mean that you are now open hunt season and it's all on you. It needed to be posted as an ingame notification which directs to the forums for further details. Didn't happen. End of story.

Naturally you are aware I can't possibly be someone that's effected not knowing about it.

Yes, but that doesn’t change the fact that if people want to know about changes like this, all they have to do is hit mail, then forums, and read.

Could CG have done more? Yes. Was CG required to do more? No. So no compensation, and IMO blame goes to the accounts with their head in the sand over CG.

I think yours is an odd point. CG decided to make a notable change to gear but as far as you're concerned they had no obligation to notify people in game. And yet there is an in-game messaging system that CG uses for other things.

Clearly CG had no such requirement to do so, I don't that is being argued. But I think a fair argument can be made that they should have done so.

Not as far as I am concerned; it’s as far as the User Agreement every account signs to play. You can read it yourself in the gear icon, under legal.

No idea what the relevance is of this at all.

And no it’s not a fair argument, because ignorance isn’t an excuse. Hopefully the accounts that care start checking the forums. But complaining that CG should have done more instead of the accounts doing more is backwards. CG made it public, and far enough in advance. Stop trying to blame them.

I'm not blaming anyone. I said there's a fair argument (in my view) that CG should have communicated it through in-game messaging.

As for ignorance. Well, ignorance really wouldn't be an excuse if CG messaged the change in-game. But they didn't.

I wonder how many people that missed out because they didn't check the forums had the same problem previously for some other thing that was only announced on the forums.

Talking about compensation is an exaggeration.
But we get in game messages all the time: "x was added to this node", "x got a new omicron ability", etc. It wasn't so difficult to write another one: " on december the xth, your gear stash will lose half its salvage value. Visit the forums for more information ".

"MaruMaru;c-2398902" wrote:

I never talked about compensation...at least not in terms of what we consider compensation in general.

"MaruMaru;c-2398878" wrote:
They should have %100 sent ingame notice a few times leading to this period. I also didn't want be forced scrap all those gear. Now I ended up getting short of haat gear that wasn't a smidge of a concern before. It was cg's responsibility to figure out a way so that people didn't get double the gear (since this is something cg doesn't want) but also retain the value of what they had without having to do anything. Neither of these things happened. And I'm rather sure that nothing like compensation or even a response about an issue they incured on some unlucky portion of the playerbase will happen. My suggestion would be to either bombard support or just come into terms with happened.

As for the first part, I agree. My opinion is that if people want to know what’s going on, then get up and find out. Stop expecting everything should be handed to you.

Edit: clarified last paragraph

"nfidel2k;c-2398907" wrote:

"MaruMaru;c-2398902" wrote:

I never talked about compensation...at least not in terms of what we consider compensation in general.

"MaruMaru;c-2398878" wrote:
They should have %100 sent ingame notice a few times leading to this period. I also didn't want be forced scrap all those gear. Now I ended up getting short of haat gear that wasn't a smidge of a concern before. It was cg's responsibility to figure out a way so that people didn't get double the gear (since this is something cg doesn't want) but also retain the value of what they had without having to do anything. Neither of these things happened. And I'm rather sure that nothing like compensation or even a response about an issue they incured on some unlucky portion of the playerbase will happen. My suggestion would be to either bombard support or just come into terms with happened.

As for the first part, I agree. My opinion is that if people want to know what’s going on, then get up and find out. Stop expecting everything should be handed to you.

Edit: clarified last paragraph

Why is suggesting that CG should notify players of an important game change via in-game messaging the same as "expecting everything should be handed to you"? That's quite a leap.

In your logic you seem to think its OK for CG not to bother communicating things about their game, but saying it's irresponsible for players to not regularly check a forum.

Should players only know about new Omicron abilities, for example, by regularly checking the forum?

CG made the change. Onus should be on them to better communicate it.