Enough of the Galactic Challange difficulty

"chrischaos;c-2227176" wrote:
Anyone defending this ridiculous game mode needs to be called out for a shill, sadist, or general pos. The jump from 4-5 is beyond rough and don’t give some answer on strat. The entire thing was a money check void of replay value. If you say it’s content-your an elohaas

Really??? The jump from T4 - T5? If you're stuck there, chances are that these are challenges you should be working towards as your roster develops and you just don't have the toons/gear to do them yet. I haven't missed max rewards on a single GC yet, though some of them have been very tough, very rng dependent, required moving mods, and focussed on what I'd consider irrelevant goals (I'm looking at you Bando/Mando feats). But despite the challenges, they've all been able to be done. And every single one of them I was able to do within 6 hours of release. After that, it's fun to just play around with different combinations to see what happens.

"Tiig;c-2228012" wrote:

"chrischaos;c-2227176" wrote:
Anyone defending this ridiculous game mode needs to be called out for a shill, sadist, or general pos. The jump from 4-5 is beyond rough and don’t give some answer on strat. The entire thing was a money check void of replay value. If you say it’s content-your an elohaas

Really??? The jump from T4 - T5? If you're stuck there, chances are that these are challenges you should be working towards as your roster develops and you just don't have the toons/gear to do them yet. I haven't missed max rewards on a single GC yet, though some of them have been very tough, very rng dependent, required moving mods, and focussed on what I'd consider irrelevant goals (I'm looking at you Bando/Mando feats). But despite the challenges, they've all been able to be done. And every single one of them I was able to do within 6 hours of release. After that, it's fun to just play around with different combinations to see what happens.

I presume u have a very deep roster then

"cboath7;c-2227053" wrote:

"Ultra;c-2226714" wrote:

"Shadroth;c-2226709" wrote:
I agree, I’m just wingeing about the difficulty tuning ?‍♂️
Typical forum post, complain about the lack of content and then winge when I can’t beat the content

The difficulty is fine

The difficulty I don't think is the issue. The issue, at least for a lot of people, is that if you have a 7 tier event, you do expect it to get harder as it goes, but you don't expect to be able to do 1-4 with your eyes closed and then have T5 curb stomp you with impunity. That's the case frequently.

If you have people expecting to get through it with a bunch of toons at 10K power each, then yeah, they're just delusional. But when you have 6 Jedi R3 or better, you shouldn't be getting routed at T5. Now, they may have a reason for this, I mean, I can think of one, but they don't explain themselves the vast majority of the time. If the whole point is so that most people can get through 1-4 (and get something for their effort) and then 5-7 are the equivalent of challenge tiers, so be it, but when you don't say that, it comes across as very poor design. I'd just say, when you stagger tiers, if you want people to invest more in it, you've got to give them a reason. Getting curb stomped in T5 doesn't make the vast majority of people say, "if i just make these guys better, i can get through". It flat out doesn't. It makes them say "screw this". I know people in the 5M+ GP range who say this, so it's clearly not because they don't have the rosters for it.

This guy gets it

Since frustration leads to rage quitting our guild is just not bothering with these events. If it’s pay gated like these mando events. Why bother? I have better things to do.

I’d like to offer a metaphor to outline why people find these events troubling. You’ve created rewards that we need to advance(slicing mats). You’ve gated them behind this event.

So we try to get these rewards. However, you’ve decide to change the criteria needed for them biweekly. You’ve also chosen to tie half of the events to characters that are paywalled.

It’s as if you’re riding on your customers backs while holding a carrot at the end of a stick and telling us to run for the carrot.

"Wanabe;c-2228084" wrote:
I’d like to offer a metaphor to outline why people find these events troubling. You’ve created rewards that we need to advance(slicing mats). You’ve gated them behind this event.

So we try to get these rewards. However, you’ve decide to change the criteria needed for them biweekly. You’ve also chosen to tie half of the events to characters that are paywalled.

It’s as if you’re riding on your customers backs while holding a carrot at the end of a stick and telling us to run for the carrot.

This event is f2p friendly.

"Wanabe;c-2228084" wrote:
I’d like to offer a metaphor to outline why people find these events troubling. You’ve created rewards that we need to advance(slicing mats). You’ve gated them behind this event.

So we try to get these rewards. However, you’ve decide to change the criteria needed for them biweekly. You’ve also chosen to tie half of the events to characters that are paywalled.

It’s as if you’re riding on your customers backs while holding a carrot at the end of a stick and telling us to run for the carrot.

Except they are not paywalled. People are doing it without paying.

Anyone can make the choice to put resources into characters that will gain them rewards, yes those choices are not always simple or easy, but that is the goal, it makes the choices that make meaningful.

If you want the rewards make a plan to get them, if that plan or the rewards dont seem worth it, that is ok too, many are weighing those options each time the events come around.

"Kyno;c-2228091" wrote:

"Wanabe;c-2228084" wrote:
I’d like to offer a metaphor to outline why people find these events troubling. You’ve created rewards that we need to advance(slicing mats). You’ve gated them behind this event.

So we try to get these rewards. However, you’ve decide to change the criteria needed for them biweekly. You’ve also chosen to tie half of the events to characters that are paywalled.

It’s as if you’re riding on your customers backs while holding a carrot at the end of a stick and telling us to run for the carrot.

Except they are not paywalled. People are doing it without paying.

Anyone can make the choice to put resources into characters that will gain them rewards, yes those choices are not always simple or easy, but that is the goal, it makes the choices that make meaningful.

If you want the rewards make a plan to get them, if that plan or the rewards dont seem worth it, that is ok too, many are weighing those options each time the events come around.

This is exactly right. I’ve been playing for a bit over 3 years. Personally, I am ignoring the Mandalorian faction as I have other priorities. The rewards lost due to “skipping” Mandalorians (for now) from GC do not outweigh the rewards I can earn staying on my current target.

While I dislike these “ploys” to get people to invest in new characters and factions just for some mod slicing mats, hopefully their investment is rewarded a bit more down the road (could be new Mandalorian legendary etc.). Right now BAM does not add much to my roster so I am fine with skipping these feats for my overall roster health/growth. That’s my choice and I’m still happy with that choice. All that said, I’ve still been able to slice 6 dot mods 54 times (15 speed drops) from the GC rewards and am doing just fine (I have been fairly focused on mods from the early stages of my play).

It’s all about choice. The ever changing nature of these feats make chasing the feats/factions a bit too unpredictable for someone like me to get bent out of shape when I don’t have the correct faction ready. I’m fine with that so far. I can also understand why others may not be ok with it.

"twstdbydsn;c-2227841" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2227751" wrote:

"twstdbydsn;c-2227742" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2227058" wrote:

"cboath7;c-2227053" wrote:

"Ultra;c-2226714" wrote:

"Shadroth;c-2226709" wrote:
I agree, I’m just wingeing about the difficulty tuning ?‍♂️
Typical forum post, complain about the lack of content and then winge when I can’t beat the content

The difficulty is fine

The difficulty I don't think is the issue. The issue, at least for a lot of people, is that if you have a 7 tier event, you do expect it to get harder as it goes, but you don't expect to be able to do 1-4 with your eyes closed and then have T5 curb stomp you with impunity. That's the case frequently.

If you have people expecting to get through it with a bunch of toons at 10K power each, then yeah, they're just delusional. But when you have 6 Jedi R3 or better, you shouldn't be getting routed at T5. Now, they may have a reason for this, I mean, I can think of one, but they don't explain themselves the vast majority of the time. If the whole point is so that most people can get through 1-4 (and get something for their effort) and then 5-7 are the equivalent of challenge tiers, so be it, but when you don't say that, it comes across as very poor design. I'd just say, when you stagger tiers, if you want people to invest more in it, you've got to give them a reason. Getting curb stomped in T5 doesn't make the vast majority of people say, "if i just make these guys better, i can get through". It flat out doesn't. It makes them say "screw this". I know people in the 5M+ GP range who say this, so it's clearly not because they don't have the rosters for it.

Considering you do not have to do it tier by teir, it comes across odd to call out bad design, when your doing it "not how it was designed" to be done.

I also dont see the need for any "smooth curve design", maybe you can clarify why it would need to be that way, or even should be?

It's a puzzle, not a GP or even gear check. Giving up because you dont want to do the puzzle, has nothing to do with GP. Not everyone likes this kind of element, fine, but more often than not in each GC, gear has not been a hard requirement, strategy and moding the right way with a few key toons seems to be working out.

You guys keep saying puzzle and its not. You give specific feats and then then we can't use a good part of the collection to even attempt them. The only puzzle piece that fits is $.

If this is your take on things then you seem to be missing the puzzle. Many getting either the 1st or second box with f2p toons/teams, take some time and look at those threads and examples.

If you think the only way is with $$, then you are trying to brute force things and/or dont want to spend any time (which is understandable, as not everyone has the time), but by no means does that mean you need to put $$ down to beat GCs.

That's great and all but needing a full squad of Mandos and Beskar Mando is by NO means a priority for me right now. And yeah if I wanted to brute force it I would spend $. I don't want to spend and I don't force it. But you can't really say that that this is a puzzle game when it's basically the same feats every other week. Maybe I'm missing something but I don't care about GC's even remotely enough to bother. So getting box 4 is where I'm at every other week. I appreciate you defending the game and the way to play but most of this new stuff is to appease krakens and day one players that have most at higher gears and R levels. I get that, but man is it a real kick in the pants when you want to get that next higher box and can't.

“I chose not to get the toons needed for the event, therefore something something $$$”

Hmm

"Gifafi;c-2228115" wrote:

"twstdbydsn;c-2227841" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2227751" wrote:

"twstdbydsn;c-2227742" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2227058" wrote:

"cboath7;c-2227053" wrote:

"Ultra;c-2226714" wrote:

"Shadroth;c-2226709" wrote:
I agree, I’m just wingeing about the difficulty tuning ?‍♂️
Typical forum post, complain about the lack of content and then winge when I can’t beat the content

The difficulty is fine

The difficulty I don't think is the issue. The issue, at least for a lot of people, is that if you have a 7 tier event, you do expect it to get harder as it goes, but you don't expect to be able to do 1-4 with your eyes closed and then have T5 curb stomp you with impunity. That's the case frequently.

If you have people expecting to get through it with a bunch of toons at 10K power each, then yeah, they're just delusional. But when you have 6 Jedi R3 or better, you shouldn't be getting routed at T5. Now, they may have a reason for this, I mean, I can think of one, but they don't explain themselves the vast majority of the time. If the whole point is so that most people can get through 1-4 (and get something for their effort) and then 5-7 are the equivalent of challenge tiers, so be it, but when you don't say that, it comes across as very poor design. I'd just say, when you stagger tiers, if you want people to invest more in it, you've got to give them a reason. Getting curb stomped in T5 doesn't make the vast majority of people say, "if i just make these guys better, i can get through". It flat out doesn't. It makes them say "screw this". I know people in the 5M+ GP range who say this, so it's clearly not because they don't have the rosters for it.

Considering you do not have to do it tier by teir, it comes across odd to call out bad design, when your doing it "not how it was designed" to be done.

I also dont see the need for any "smooth curve design", maybe you can clarify why it would need to be that way, or even should be?

It's a puzzle, not a GP or even gear check. Giving up because you dont want to do the puzzle, has nothing to do with GP. Not everyone likes this kind of element, fine, but more often than not in each GC, gear has not been a hard requirement, strategy and moding the right way with a few key toons seems to be working out.

You guys keep saying puzzle and its not. You give specific feats and then then we can't use a good part of the collection to even attempt them. The only puzzle piece that fits is $.

If this is your take on things then you seem to be missing the puzzle. Many getting either the 1st or second box with f2p toons/teams, take some time and look at those threads and examples.

If you think the only way is with $$, then you are trying to brute force things and/or dont want to spend any time (which is understandable, as not everyone has the time), but by no means does that mean you need to put $$ down to beat GCs.

That's great and all but needing a full squad of Mandos and Beskar Mando is by NO means a priority for me right now. And yeah if I wanted to brute force it I would spend $. I don't want to spend and I don't force it. But you can't really say that that this is a puzzle game when it's basically the same feats every other week. Maybe I'm missing something but I don't care about GC's even remotely enough to bother. So getting box 4 is where I'm at every other week. I appreciate you defending the game and the way to play but most of this new stuff is to appease krakens and day one players that have most at higher gears and R levels. I get that, but man is it a real kick in the pants when you want to get that next higher box and can't.

“I chose not to get the toons needed for the event, therefore something something $$$”

Hmm

Yes, that is always the case, but Beskar Mando just came out and most of the other Mandolorians NO ONE needed or wanted before they started adding the 3 new ones. Thanks for over simplifying things buddy.