Executor is a beast? [MERGE]

This ship was a huge letdown given all the hype and steep requirement to unlock. Yes its great on offense but most fleets are good on offense very few are great on defense. Devs made it seem like if you get this ship you rule your shard like getting a GL rules non-GL teams but it isn't the case.

My personal opinion of fixing this is maybe give ship give all ship on fleet a plus 10% speed boost for any empire or bh ships. It would solve issue of it being too fast without altering too much to make the ship completely op

"Calbion;c-2288023" wrote:
The R8 Piett 7* being too fast is an issue for the mirrior. Yet I feel the community response has been quite an overreaction. Yes other fleets can beat it but the consistency of those counters is no where near 100%. Looking at as low as 30-40% for some counters and even then that is with some heavy investment in non meta characters (rebels) to anywhere near a higher win rate.

People like to post the win videos yet miss out the many fails and bad RNG in the process.

Comparison between the ship and GLs is flawed as well past the gear requirements. Ultimately the ship should have been like a GL with star reqs and a unique fleet currency to farm the star and heck even fleet ultimate to unlock it (that’ll solve the low star mirrors!)

You can unlock a GL anytime yet only have a 1 day a month period to unlock and level this ship. It’s Apple and oranges.

Being too fast is an issue for every battle.

The first Executor move is essentially a punt every time.

"slickdealer;c-2288011" wrote:

"Vodkasour00;c-2288010" wrote:
So much whining in this thread. Our shard has someone sitting in 1st place for the past 14 hrs straight with a 7* Exec with the r7 RC + r6 HT + r8 S1 lineup. I burned 800 crystals last night trying to beat it. I could not. Granted I do not have a relic’d out Rebels fleet, so maybe that would still kill it, but it is definitely worse than a 95% chance that I can beat it with anything else. There was only 1 attempt out of ~15 where I had a chance, and that was because the opening expose failed to land on my Vulture, which allowed him to live long enough to get buzz droids out. I still lost anyway.

Whining post about whining

Doesn't make their point wrong.

Ok, thinking over all the problems listed with Executor, (4* beating 7* due to slow ship being better due to kit) slow bounty hunter ships being annihilated, before they get a turn, 2nd tier meta from 4 years ago being able to easily beat a GL equivalent billed ship)

One simple fix is clear and its not game breaking. If all ships are Bounty Hunter, HT should auto taunt before any ships move. The Aoe should apply breach if no breach exists. This would at least fix the 4* vs 7* executor issue.

Two, if additional tweaking is necessary make it so breach lasts 2-3 turns and is not able to be cleared like once the contract of 20 TL is fulfilled. This includes the stupid mechanic of 3 debuff autoclear by Rebels (The only ship that should be able to clear that breach would be Hans Millenium Falcon) unless they've fulfilled the 20 TL contract.

This way you don't have to speed up the BH ships or change their kits. It'll hold better on D as HT is auto-taunting and now the aoe should go off by the AI instead of the lackluster first skill or the heal.

All this should be an Executor coded skill only, so that it only applies when it is the Capitol Ship used. This way no other fleets are messed up. You don't have to recode any other ships, just make it if X (Executor) exists Y,Z occur.

Finally you could make it so these skills are gated behind higher stars on the Executor. This would still make the 4* beatable by older meta fleets as stated by Miller, but "good luck" if higher starred like 6 or 7*.

Maybe this is CG's way of getting folks to run IG88 all the way up to r9 :P

"SerylT2;c-2288067" wrote:

"yodacao;c-2288025" wrote:
This ship was a huge letdown given all the hype and steep requirement to unlock. Yes its great on offense but most fleets are good on offense very few are great on defense. Devs made it seem like if you get this ship you rule your shard like getting a GL rules non-GL teams but it isn't the case.

My personal opinion of fixing this is maybe give ship give all ship on fleet a plus 10% speed boost for any empire or bh ships. It would solve issue of it being too fast without altering too much to make the ship completely op

Yeah I think the biggest thing is to fix it so a 7* Executor is better than a 4*. Fix that speed issue. Then I am sure when Dengar's ship comes in it can make the fleet a little more of a challenge on defense. I think that would do enough to improve the Capital ship without making it game breaking.

If they make the Capital Ship game breaking.. people in highly active older shards should prepare for nothing but mirror match after mirror match for the next year. Seems some are foolish enough to believe it will give them an advantage where if they are in a shard that old.. there is no reason a 100 others won't have it also. Constant mirror matches kill squad based games.

We already have a stale miror match system and have had that for 2+ years...Neg vs Neg or Neg vs Mal same old same old, we don't expect arena to be that stagnant why should ships be any less. And as far as being foolish, many would not have gone all in on Executor if CG hadn't specifically said it would be the new Meta.

"Draconfier;c-2288078" wrote:

"SerylT2;c-2288067" wrote:

"yodacao;c-2288025" wrote:
This ship was a huge letdown given all the hype and steep requirement to unlock. Yes its great on offense but most fleets are good on offense very few are great on defense. Devs made it seem like if you get this ship you rule your shard like getting a GL rules non-GL teams but it isn't the case.

My personal opinion of fixing this is maybe give ship give all ship on fleet a plus 10% speed boost for any empire or bh ships. It would solve issue of it being too fast without altering too much to make the ship completely op

Yeah I think the biggest thing is to fix it so a 7* Executor is better than a 4*. Fix that speed issue. Then I am sure when Dengar's ship comes in it can make the fleet a little more of a challenge on defense. I think that would do enough to improve the Capital ship without making it game breaking.

If they make the Capital Ship game breaking.. people in highly active older shards should prepare for nothing but mirror match after mirror match for the next year. Seems some are foolish enough to believe it will give them an advantage where if they are in a shard that old.. there is no reason a 100 others won't have it also. Constant mirror matches kill squad based games.

We already have a stale miror match system and have had that for 2+ years...Neg vs Neg or Neg vs Mal same old same old, we don't expect arena to be that stagnant why should ships be any less. And as far as being foolish, many would not have gone all in on Executor if CG hadn't specifically said it would be the new Meta.

well they released Raddus and Finalizer since Negotiator & Malevolence came out. But neither of them is meta and that was CG's intent. They're just there to force you to farm harder for a GL, I'd guess. Especially since second batch of GLs required a pilotless ship instead of a cap ship. tbf they can beat Malevolence and Negotiator. They're just terrible in ship arena.

"SerylT2;c-2288089" wrote:

"Draconfier;c-2288078" wrote:
We already have a stale miror match system and have had that for 2+ years...Neg vs Neg or Neg vs Mal same old same old, we don't expect arena to be that stagnant why should ships be any less. And as far as being foolish, many would not have gone all in on Executor if CG hadn't specifically said it would be the new Meta.

Home One with the Falcon also. There were three viable fleets at the top of the META. I do agree they over sold the ship, but just because they over sold it does not make me think they should be allowed to break the game.

Home One was 3-4 years ago

I have found that having RC, S1, and HT in the starting line up as a 7 star Executor vs a 4 star Executor that was RC, HT, and XB is the key to winning a “mirror match” having an exact “mirror match” is a nightmare..

"TheRealNickEZ;c-2288097" wrote:
I have found that having RC, S1, and HT in the starting line up as a 7 star Executor vs a 4 star Executor that was RC, HT, and XB is the key to winning a “mirror match” having an exact “mirror match” is a nightmare..

Who goes first?