Executor is a beast? [MERGE]

"Kisakee;c-2287898" wrote:

"Deany;c-2287896" wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong but to me it seems more the ship you feel we need! Many of us on the other hand who paid good money or for those who used there hard grinded hoarded stash feel this ship comes way short of what's required.
We are beating this ship with rebels and not even optimal ones at that. Maybe if those rebel fleets were r8s Across the board including bistan and the phoniex ships then it would not be so much an issue. A g12 home one with g12 phoniex ships and go cassians though... sorry that's a big problem. If you cannot see the issue there then I say chances are you do not have the ship and are more on the lookout for yourself rather than taking a good look at the issues with all this

You're not wrong, i absolutely think/ feel that it is the ship we need. I'm just against pay2win in a manner where new shiny toys can't be beaten by any non-spenders/ massive hoarders at all.

Massive hoarders get things that are expected to dominate the meta (Edward aside). They deserve an ROI too.

Non-early adopters should get what they've always gotten, a very small chance to beat it.

If CG really sold us a broken fleet that can only be fixed by a new marquee ship, that is about as low as it can get.

"TVF;c-2287908" wrote:

"Kisakee;c-2287898" wrote:

"Deany;c-2287896" wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong but to me it seems more the ship you feel we need! Many of us on the other hand who paid good money or for those who used there hard grinded hoarded stash feel this ship comes way short of what's required.
We are beating this ship with rebels and not even optimal ones at that. Maybe if those rebel fleets were r8s Across the board including bistan and the phoniex ships then it would not be so much an issue. A g12 home one with g12 phoniex ships and go cassians though... sorry that's a big problem. If you cannot see the issue there then I say chances are you do not have the ship and are more on the lookout for yourself rather than taking a good look at the issues with all this

You're not wrong, i absolutely think/ feel that it is the ship we need. I'm just against pay2win in a manner where new shiny toys can't be beaten by any non-spenders/ massive hoarders at all.

Massive hoarders get things that are expected to dominate the meta (Edward aside). They deserve.

What ever happened to Edward? ?

"slickdealer;c-2287910" wrote:
If CG really sold us a broken fleet that can only be fixed by a new marquee ship, that is about as low as it can get.

Avoiding unsubstantiated speculation can increase enjoyment of life, and even prevent hair loss.

"AlexanderG;c-2287912" wrote:

"TVF;c-2287908" wrote:

"Kisakee;c-2287898" wrote:

"Deany;c-2287896" wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong but to me it seems more the ship you feel we need! Many of us on the other hand who paid good money or for those who used there hard grinded hoarded stash feel this ship comes way short of what's required.
We are beating this ship with rebels and not even optimal ones at that. Maybe if those rebel fleets were r8s Across the board including bistan and the phoniex ships then it would not be so much an issue. A g12 home one with g12 phoniex ships and go cassians though... sorry that's a big problem. If you cannot see the issue there then I say chances are you do not have the ship and are more on the lookout for yourself rather than taking a good look at the issues with all this

You're not wrong, i absolutely think/ feel that it is the ship we need. I'm just against pay2win in a manner where new shiny toys can't be beaten by any non-spenders/ massive hoarders at all.

Massive hoarders get things that are expected to dominate the meta (Edward aside). They deserve.

What ever happened to Edward? ?

We should send out a search party, he may be buried under a mountain of stuff....

"Kyno;c-2287914" wrote:

"slickdealer;c-2287910" wrote:
If CG really sold us a broken fleet that can only be fixed by a new marquee ship, that is about as low as it can get.

Avoiding unsubstantiated speculation can increase enjoyment of life, and even prevent hair loss.

Not completely unsubstantiated. Something here isn’t working and CG admitted it.

Either they didn’t test or they only tested with a new ship we don’t have.

I doubt they didn’t test.

"Kelthuzil;c-2287834" wrote:
I see a lot of “everything’s beating executor.” Where’s the proof. I HAVE beaten it using mal, and home one, it is FAR from reliable, and when executor is up to 7 star I’m literally 2-13 against it so far with testing. I have not tried negotiator yet, and have heard very little that’s been promising.

If it’s so terrible on defense, why aren’t they being targeted and dropped out of top spots everywhere in arena?

It autos everything, and holds very well. I don’t know what else you wanted, that’s top of the meta, 100%.

I think this underperforming is BS. I think it more likely that there are some cases where the fleet makeup isn't ideal and others where the ai doesn't perform optimally. I took my nominal Negotiator and my nominal Malevolence fleets in against two different 6* Executors and the Death Star destroyed them. I have not watched any strategy videos and just did what I usually do against the other fleet, but the Executor behaved as expected. A fellow member in my guild has all Executors at the top of his fleet shard.

Maybe something needs to be done about the Executor vs Executor matches - so that 4* does not defeat 7* - but making the 7* more powerful is not the answer. I think increasing the cooldown on the lower star versions would be a simple solution.

Well that may be the last live interview for CG

"slickdealer;c-2287919" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2287914" wrote:

"slickdealer;c-2287910" wrote:
If CG really sold us a broken fleet that can only be fixed by a new marquee ship, that is about as low as it can get.

Avoiding unsubstantiated speculation can increase enjoyment of life, and even prevent hair loss.

Not completely unsubstantiated. Something here isn’t working and CG admitted it.

Either they didn’t test or they only tested with a new ship we don’t have.

I doubt they didn’t test.

Correct, admitting they are looking at the current setup, as it's not hitting the mark.

That is literally the opposite of needing to add a new element to it to make it work.

Those are not the only options.

"Nauros;c-2287918" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2287914" wrote:

"slickdealer;c-2287910" wrote:
If CG really sold us a broken fleet that can only be fixed by a new marquee ship, that is about as low as it can get.

Avoiding unsubstantiated speculation can increase enjoyment of life, and even prevent hair loss.

Dunno, expecting Dengar's ship sounds pretty substantiated to me, given that he is the only requirement without a ship. As well as the expectation that it will improve Executor fleets, because there wouldn't be much of a point otherwise.

Substantiating something with a feeling..... here I was thinking evidence.... but you do you.

"nottenst;c-2287920" wrote:

"Kelthuzil;c-2287834" wrote:
I see a lot of “everything’s beating executor.” Where’s the proof. I HAVE beaten it using mal, and home one, it is FAR from reliable, and when executor is up to 7 star I’m literally 2-13 against it so far with testing. I have not tried negotiator yet, and have heard very little that’s been promising.

If it’s so terrible on defense, why aren’t they being targeted and dropped out of top spots everywhere in arena?

It autos everything, and holds very well. I don’t know what else you wanted, that’s top of the meta, 100%.

I think this underperforming is ****. I think it more likely that there are some cases where the fleet makeup isn't ideal and others where the ai doesn't perform optimally. I took my nominal Negotiator and my nominal Malevolence fleets in against two different 6* Executors and the Death Star destroyed them. I have not watched any strategy videos and just did what I usually do against the other fleet, but the Executor behaved as expected. A fellow member in my guild has all Executors at the top of his fleet shard.

Maybe something needs to be done about the Executor vs Executor matches - so that 4* does not defeat 7* - but making the 7* more powerful is not the answer. I think increasing the cooldown on the lower star versions would be a simple solution.

The AI is fine.

The problem is the Executor at 7* has no opening move. Because of this it starts out behind and gets whooped by about any other fleet.

When the Executor moves first the AE is useless since no enemy has breach. The heal is useless because no ship has taken damage.

Slower Executor can use the AE on Turn1 since the BH ships have moved first.

My bet is we are about to get a Punishing One ship that is faster than 192.