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Executor unlock method concerns.. Confirmed

As per the latest news from the devs (there has been a recent stream on twitch from cg crumb in which he briefly talked about the executor event) it looks like whatever kind of event it'll be, we won'...

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If so, I'm pretty dubious about the idea.
To me the ship portion of swgoh has been chronically lackluster when compared to the characters content both in terms of game modes available and quantity of ships, leading to a pretty stale meta in both arena and gac for a very long time.

With the arrival of the executor, it seems we will finally going to move away from that, but if the type of release won't allow players to max it, it'll probably lead to an unspecified further duration of the current state of affairs.
Normally, to avoid this wait, CG has gave us some way available to immediately bring up to 7* the new shinies by either whaling or by having hoarded resources.
I would expect for it to be the way for the executor as well, but I have some concerns.

When there aren't prerequisites to satisfy or they're really easy, CG usually don't give away a 7* unlock via the event, therefore if you want it maxed you either buy shard packs through money/crystals, or you wait.
When, instead, you do have hard prerequisites to satisfy, then you can almost always max out stars through the event itself pretty rapidly, as the monetization comes through getting the prerequisites ready in time/as early as possible, should one wants an early unlock despite not being ready at the time of the announcement.

For the executor, I fear they will force on us both things, hard prerequisites and shard packs/refreshes of the event to achieve an early 7*.
If that will be the case, I strongly disagree because:

- The ship meta have been stale long enough that a shake-up is welcome sooner rather then later, so I would find it hard to understand if we'll have to both satisfy hard prerequisites and do refreshes of the event/buy shard packs.. As it'll really slow down the change.

- The prerequisites are the highest ever for a ship, in fact they're so demanding that they are more akin with those to unlock a GL. This has consistently been a plenty enough reason to make an event a 7 star unlock in the past, so why not now?

Basically I'd like for CG to be reasonable and pick only one way to monetize this as done in the past. I think you should either struggle to get your stuff ready in time, or get a few easy shard but then buy the rest or wait, not both. Expecially for a part of the game that isn't even as taken care of as the rest of it.
If not, then I would at the very least like for the wait to not be unreasonably long as for the finalizer/raddus release.

What do you think? ","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2021-08-04T00:37:51.000-07:00","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"tags":{"__typename":"TagConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[{"__typename":"TagEdge","cursor":"MjUuMnwyLjF8b3wxMHxfTlZffDE","node":{"__typename":"Tag","id":"tag:ships","text":"ships","time":"2019-11-26T15:05:00.000-08:00","lastActivityTime":null,"messagesCount":null,"followersCount":null}}]},"timeToRead":2,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:4221297_1"},"latestVersion":null,"metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":17618},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","canonicalUrl":null,"seoTitle":null,"seoDescription":null,"isEscalated":null,"placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"archivalData":null,"customFields":[],"body":"As per the latest news from the devs (there has been a recent stream on twitch from cg crumb in which he briefly talked about the executor event) it looks like whatever kind of event it'll be, we won't be able to 7 star the executor right away.

If so, I'm pretty dubious about the idea.
To me the ship portion of swgoh has been chronically lackluster when compared to the characters content both in terms of game modes available and quantity of ships, leading to a pretty stale meta in both arena and gac for a very long time.

With the arrival of the executor, it seems we will finally going to move away from that, but if the type of release won't allow players to max it, it'll probably lead to an unspecified further duration of the current state of affairs.
Normally, to avoid this wait, CG has gave us some way available to immediately bring up to 7* the new shinies by either whaling or by having hoarded resources.
I would expect for it to be the way for the executor as well, but I have some concerns.

When there aren't prerequisites to satisfy or they're really easy, CG usually don't give away a 7* unlock via the event, therefore if you want it maxed you either buy shard packs through money/crystals, or you wait.
When, instead, you do have hard prerequisites to satisfy, then you can almost always max out stars through the event itself pretty rapidly, as the monetization comes through getting the prerequisites ready in time/as early as possible, should one wants an early unlock despite not being ready at the time of the announcement.

For the executor, I fear they will force on us both things, hard prerequisites and shard packs/refreshes of the event to achieve an early 7*.
If that will be the case, I strongly disagree because:

- The ship meta have been stale long enough that a shake-up is welcome sooner rather then later, so I would find it hard to understand if we'll have to both satisfy hard prerequisites and do refreshes of the event/buy shard packs.. As it'll really slow down the change.

- The prerequisites are the highest ever for a ship, in fact they're so demanding that they are more akin with those to unlock a GL. This has consistently been a plenty enough reason to make an event a 7 star unlock in the past, so why not now?

Basically I'd like for CG to be reasonable and pick only one way to monetize this as done in the past. I think you should either struggle to get your stuff ready in time, or get a few easy shard but then buy the rest or wait, not both. Expecially for a part of the game that isn't even as taken care of as the rest of it.
If not, then I would at the very least like for the wait to not be unreasonably long as for the finalizer/raddus release.

What do you think?"},"Conversation:conversation:4221297":{"__typename":"Conversation","id":"conversation:4221297","solved":false,"topic":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:4221297"},"lastPostingActivityTime":"2021-08-18T20:32:14.000-07:00","lastPostTime":"2021-08-18T20:32:14.000-07:00","unreadReplyCount":216,"isSubscribed":false},"ModerationData:moderation_data:4221297":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:4221297","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"Revision:revision:4221297_1":{"__typename":"Revision","id":"revision:4221297_1","lastEditTime":"2021-08-04T00:37:51.000-07:00"},"ForumReplyMessage:message:4221417":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","id":"message:4221417","conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:4221297"},"author":{"__ref":"User:user:85534"},"revisionNum":1,"uid":4221417,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:swgoh-general-discussion-en"},"subject":"Re: Executor unlock method concerns.. Confirmed","readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:4221417"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:4221297"},"body":"
\"InyakSolomon88;c-2284174\" wrote:
\"Kyno;c-2284122\" wrote:
\"StarSon;c-2284117\" wrote:
\"Kyno;c-2284114\" wrote:
\"StarSon;c-2284089\" wrote:
\"TVF;c-2283925\" wrote:
If it unlocks at 10/65, you need

55 to 5*
85 to 6*
100 to 7*
240 total
24 refreshes, 24k crystals *total*



Actually, you can only refresh 19 times. So if you want 7* day 1, it's about 25k crystals since you have to buy 5 of those 1250 packs.

\"Kyno;c-2284014\" wrote:
\"Ravens1113;c-2284010\" wrote:
\"Kyno;c-2284003\" wrote:
\"Ravens1113;c-2283994\" wrote:
So…let me get this straight….

We are being forced to relic several characters….relic 5 the minimum with two R8’s and an R7….We need to get a conquest level ship to 7* as well. And at the end of it all we then need to go through a 2 year farm to get that capital ship from 4* to 7*….

I mean what the actual….I mean….oy….I just can’t make sense of their logic anymore


To be fair, no one is forcing you to do anything.

And just like MT and Wicket, this will not be a 2 year process, even of you do not refresh.


Except if I want to stay competitive in fleet arena and not burn my crystal income, I’m going to need to get executor sooner rather than later.

Also, if they don’t increase the blueprints like they did the character shards then how do you figure it won’t be? If we unlock at 4* that means we need another 250 blue prints. 10 a month means 25 months. That’s 2 years without any packs or refreshes


MT and Wicket came out, and the same math was done. I can assure you it didnt actually take players 2 years to get them to 7* after they \"qualified\". Things about those events cadence were changed during their life.


Oh, they have already told you they plan to run this event more often in a few months?


I am simply using past evidence to reason why there will be people getting this ship in less than 2 years without spending 23k in crystals.


False equivalency. We have 6 Fleet Mastery events. Every single one is on a monthly-ish rotation. The only thing you could safely compare to would be the other AFM events, and they started out with a faster cadence, and then slowed down. So, with the past evidence we have, we can expect the farm (with zero crystals) to be greater than 2 years.


So comparing to an event that started at the same pace is a false equivalency, but equating to one that is different is ok.... got it.

You can expect whatever you want, but I will stick with logic and reason, since no character has required 2 years to farm from qualifying if done at the max available rate, and no crystal refreshes.


Kyno you seem to be ignoring the fact that MT and Wicket were both farmable characters and had nodes you could farm them off of in addition to the event.


Not initially.","body@stringLength":"3235","rawBody":"
\"InyakSolomon88;c-2284174\" wrote:
\"Kyno;c-2284122\" wrote:
\"StarSon;c-2284117\" wrote:
\"Kyno;c-2284114\" wrote:
\"StarSon;c-2284089\" wrote:
\"TVF;c-2283925\" wrote:
If it unlocks at 10/65, you need

55 to 5*
85 to 6*
100 to 7*
240 total
24 refreshes, 24k crystals *total*



Actually, you can only refresh 19 times. So if you want 7* day 1, it's about 25k crystals since you have to buy 5 of those 1250 packs.

\"Kyno;c-2284014\" wrote:
\"Ravens1113;c-2284010\" wrote:
\"Kyno;c-2284003\" wrote:
\"Ravens1113;c-2283994\" wrote:
So…let me get this straight….

We are being forced to relic several characters….relic 5 the minimum with two R8’s and an R7….We need to get a conquest level ship to 7* as well. And at the end of it all we then need to go through a 2 year farm to get that capital ship from 4* to 7*….

I mean what the actual….I mean….oy….I just can’t make sense of their logic anymore


To be fair, no one is forcing you to do anything.

And just like MT and Wicket, this will not be a 2 year process, even of you do not refresh.


Except if I want to stay competitive in fleet arena and not burn my crystal income, I’m going to need to get executor sooner rather than later.

Also, if they don’t increase the blueprints like they did the character shards then how do you figure it won’t be? If we unlock at 4* that means we need another 250 blue prints. 10 a month means 25 months. That’s 2 years without any packs or refreshes


MT and Wicket came out, and the same math was done. I can assure you it didnt actually take players 2 years to get them to 7* after they \"qualified\". Things about those events cadence were changed during their life.


Oh, they have already told you they plan to run this event more often in a few months?


I am simply using past evidence to reason why there will be people getting this ship in less than 2 years without spending 23k in crystals.


False equivalency. We have 6 Fleet Mastery events. Every single one is on a monthly-ish rotation. The only thing you could safely compare to would be the other AFM events, and they started out with a faster cadence, and then slowed down. So, with the past evidence we have, we can expect the farm (with zero crystals) to be greater than 2 years.


So comparing to an event that started at the same pace is a false equivalency, but equating to one that is different is ok.... got it.

You can expect whatever you want, but I will stick with logic and reason, since no character has required 2 years to farm from qualifying if done at the max available rate, and no crystal refreshes.


Kyno you seem to be ignoring the fact that MT and Wicket were both farmable characters and had nodes you could farm them off of in addition to the event.


Not 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