I think that the best, fairest way to fix Nightsister Zombie (and nightsister teams in general) is this:Nightsister Zombie revives once per star for stars 1 through 4, and then twice per star for stars 5 through 7, as follows:1* - 1 revive2* - 2 revives3* - 3 revives4* - 4 revives5* - 6 revives6* - 8 revives7* - 10 revivesI dont have a problem with zombie's mechanics at all. I have a people with people purposefully using a weak, G11 3* Zombie and Talzin in a 70k power squad to beat maxed G12 105k+ power teams.The purpose of this game is to grind and buy gear to make characters better amd more viable. As thinga stand, a 2* zombie with no gear is better than a G12 7* one. That hurts the games profitability AND the players that actually spend on their rosters.Currently, all you need to take #1 in the arena, or beat any territory war battle, is a 3* Talzin and 3* Zombie with a decently geared Ventress and Acolyte. That is broken and needs to be fixed. If you make zombies deaths count, it preserves his usability, while making gear and stars count again.

Lol, there are many threads about this, as well as threads about truly better NS squads, which use high geared zombie, as well as has been pointed out , adapt to the combat and use appropriate chars to take them out. They are ridiculously easy to beat with several other squads.

"GhostTruckin;c-1433174" wrote:Lol, there are many threads about this, as well as threads about truly better NS squads, which use high geared zombie, as well as has been pointed out , adapt to the combat and use appropriate chars to take them out. They are ridiculously easy to beat with several other squads. They may be ridiculously easy to beat, but that ignores the problem. People that put 0 effort into their roster can beat mega whale teams ridiculously easy with free 3* characters. That costs players at the top of the arena refreshes and takes away all incentive to spend or work on your teams. Currently, all you need to take #1 in the arena is 2 free 3* chars and 3 free others. Gear? Stars? Mods? Mostly irrelevant. Just mail it in and play nightsisters and you win.Regardless of what you think that you "deserve," this game isnt a charity, and if no one pays, the game wont be around for anyone to play. 70k teams with 3* don't deserve #1 in the arena, and these ridiculous zombie teams are ruining the game for everyone else.

"Daker;d-155309" wrote:....As thinga stand, a 2* zombie with no gear is better than a G12 7* one.....Currently, all you need to take #1 in the arena, or beat any territory war battle, is a 3* Talzin and 3* Zombie with a decently geared Ventress and Acolyte."Daker;c-1433214" wrote:Currently, all you need to take #1 in the arena is 2 free 3* chars and 3 free others. Gear? Stars? Mods? Mostly irrelevant. Just mail it in and play nightsisters and you win.These statements are blatantly false. You shouldn't need to (enormously) exaggerate to make a point, especially when your opinion is shared by multiple people numerous times a day on this forum, it just detracts from the point you are attempting to make. I get you dislike zombie, and feel it's unfair. I get that you erroneously perceive that GP means anything/everything on a basis for judging Arena strength, and can't stomach getting bumped by a "weaker" team. This is a perfectly acceptable opinion to have, even if I don't share it. Before you ask, nope I don't run Sisters in arena, and have no plans to. I haven't even put any real gear/levels into a single NS not named Asajj.

While I agree nightsisters should have been implemented with something like the OP suggestion, I despise nerfing even more. People spent real money for nightsisters because of the way CG made them work. Changing at this point would be worse for the game than the blunder they made with zombie initially. In my view.Ps , I don't think any abilities are tied to stars, so i think endless hoarde should have been a zeta, or unlocked at a certain gear level

"RevanComingSoon;c-1433304" wrote:"Shenanigans052;c-1433278" wrote:How do you fix something that isn't broken?Elect a politician?^^^ First Place right here ;)

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GhostTrucking
7 years ago
Lol, there are many threads about this, as well as threads about truly better NS squads, which use high geared zombie, as well as has been pointed out , adapt to the combat and use appropriate chars to take them out. They are ridiculously easy to beat with several other squads.
bjp8d1ea
7 years ago
"GhostTruckin;c-1433174" wrote:
Lol, there are many threads about this, as well as threads about truly better NS squads, which use high geared zombie, as well as has been pointed out , adapt to the combat and use appropriate chars to take them out. They are ridiculously easy to beat with several other squads.

They may be ridiculously easy to beat, but that ignores the problem. People that put 0 effort into their roster can beat mega whale teams ridiculously easy with free 3* characters. That costs players at the top of the arena refreshes and takes away all incentive to spend or work on your teams. Currently, all you need to take #1 in the arena is 2 free 3* chars and 3 free others. Gear? Stars? Mods? Mostly irrelevant. Just mail it in and play nightsisters and you win.

Regardless of what you think that you "deserve," this game isnt a charity, and if no one pays, the game wont be around for anyone to play. 70k teams with 3* don't deserve #1 in the arena, and these ridiculous zombie teams are ruining the game for everyone else.
BarneyStin_sius
7 years ago
"Daker;d-155309" wrote:
....As thinga stand, a 2* zombie with no gear is better than a G12 7* one.....
Currently, all you need to take #1 in the arena, or beat any territory war battle, is a 3* Talzin and 3* Zombie with a decently geared Ventress and Acolyte.

"Daker;c-1433214" wrote:
Currently, all you need to take #1 in the arena is 2 free 3* chars and 3 free others. Gear? Stars? Mods? Mostly irrelevant. Just mail it in and play nightsisters and you win.

These statements are blatantly false. You shouldn't need to (enormously) exaggerate to make a point, especially when your opinion is shared by multiple people numerous times a day on this forum, it just detracts from the point you are attempting to make.

I get you dislike zombie, and feel it's unfair. I get that you erroneously perceive that GP means anything/everything on a basis for judging Arena strength, and can't stomach getting bumped by a "weaker" team. This is a perfectly acceptable opinion to have, even if I don't share it.

Before you ask, nope I don't run Sisters in arena, and have no plans to. I haven't even put any real gear/levels into a single NS not named Asajj.
FierceRevan
7 years ago
While I agree nightsisters should have been implemented with something like the OP suggestion, I despise nerfing even more. People spent real money for nightsisters because of the way CG made them work. Changing at this point would be worse for the game than the blunder they made with zombie initially. In my view.

Ps , I don't think any abilities are tied to stars, so i think endless hoarde should have been a zeta, or unlocked at a certain gear level
GhostTrucking
7 years ago
"RevanComingSoon;c-1433304" wrote:
"Shenanigans052;c-1433278" wrote:
How do you fix something that isn't broken?

Elect a politician?

^^^ First Place right here ;)
Juzang17
7 years ago
But to counter your proposal i say this...

I think and have always thought that Expose should unstealth enemies. That would easily solve the nightsister "problem"
hendy_2012
7 years ago
@Daker

I'm just going to throw out there I don't have a problem with how nightsisters work or the mechanics of zombies revive

The defensive ai is the way it is, the only time it focuses on a single character is if there is a taunt, or all but one character is in stealth.

There is another team that at 70k can wreck any other team on offense and that is a zeta finn resistance team with a super fast poe

It sounds to me like you are saying nerf nightsisters which I disagree with (I don't use them I just hate nerfs)

If there is an actual ai targeting bug I would say report it
GhostTrucking
7 years ago
"AnnerDoon;c-1433573" wrote:
"Darthpedro;c-1433527" wrote:
@Daker

The defensive ai is the way it is, the only time it focuses on a single character is if there is a taunt, or all but one character is in stealth.

I don't run NS, but I've run against them plenty. I can easily beat them if I'm controlling the match, typically in under 1 minute. But I can't run against them in auto because the AI does repeatedly attack a non-taunting zombie. It's broken.

If that is the real issue here, I'm going to laugh really hard. Zombie taunts. Draws all fire until killed, BUT, BECAUSE ZOMBIE INSTANTLY REVIVES, the AI does not switch targeting to another char. Try it out against an SRP, you will get the same result, as long as SRP is buffed, taunts, he revives , and the AI will stay focussed on him.

Course, don't use auto works too lol
NicWester
7 years ago
Hi. Use AoE. You're welcome.

Look. The problem isn't with the zombie. The problem isn't with the initiate. The problem is that you aren't willing to change up your team to beat that combination. Add Lando, use Wedge. With Resistance, use R2 and just burn everything to the ground. Using Dark Side? Literally every Dark character has an AoE.

You have all the tools you need, just use them.
tvsfrink
7 years ago
Pass.