Fix raid rewards

"Waqui;c-1736839" wrote:

"Javick_Starage;c-1722423" wrote:
It just seems so pointless. If you can solo a raid you deserve top tier rewards.

Otherwise what’s the point?

Did you consider the effects of increasing the rewards like you suggested? Imagine a guild with 50 members soloing Rancor raids (it's not unusual). If they all received 1st place rewards, that guild would win 47 additional reward crates, crates of the highest quality, and more tokens, shards etc. They would win it even if they didn't accomplish anything else than a guild with not a single player soloing: They killed the Rancor. Why should one guild earn more rewards than the other?

I’m not sure I agree. It’s not about the guild benefits but the reward for the individual player.

Otherwise, Where is the incentive to farm a team capable of beating the raid?

Plus my proposal is fair for all. If you can solo the rancor you get top loot. It’s open to everyone so it’s completely fair.

Guilds with more teams that can solo will grow in gear faster, that’s true. But it’s no different than more powerful guilds growing faster than others through better rewards in TW & TB.

"Javick_Starage;c-1736846" wrote:

"Waqui;c-1736839" wrote:

"Javick_Starage;c-1722423" wrote:
It just seems so pointless. If you can solo a raid you deserve top tier rewards.

Otherwise what’s the point?

Did you consider the effects of increasing the rewards like you suggested? Imagine a guild with 50 members soloing Rancor raids (it's not unusual). If they all received 1st place rewards, that guild would win 47 additional reward crates, crates of the highest quality, and more tokens, shards etc. They would win it even if they didn't accomplish anything else than a guild with not a single player soloing: They killed the Rancor. Why should one guild earn more rewards than the other?

I’m not sure I agree. It’s not about the guild benefits but the reward for the individual player.

Otherwise, Where is the incentive to farm a team capable of beating the raid?

Plus my proposal is fair for all. If you can solo the rancor you get top loot. It’s open to everyone so it’s completely fair.

Guilds with more teams that can solo will grow in gear faster, that’s true. But it’s no different than more powerful guilds growing faster than others through better rewards in TW & TB.

We don't agree then. I don't see your suggestion being fair for all. The guild accomplished nothing more by having several members soloing the rancor/tank. All the guild did, is still only to kill the rancor/tank. How is it fair, that one guild is rewarded better rewards than another for the exact same accomplishment?

The incentive to solo the raid is, that you still get better rewards than anybody, who doesn't solo, and you get a chance for top rewards.

It's a guild event, so yes, it's also a matter of the total amount of rewards for the guild.

If instead you had suggested, that everybody, who tie for any rank in a raid, would receive the average rewards for those who tied, THEN it would be fair for all. However, this gives the same results as the current system when applied over a large number of raids.

It's very different from receiving better rewards in TW and TB. To receive better rewards in TB, the guild actually has to win more stars. They perform better and hence earned their better rewards. In TW, when climbing to a new reward tier, a guild will also be matched with stronger opponents. Hence a win is a higher accomplishment and they earned their better rewards. But yes, higher prizes for losses in TW breaks the pattern.

my point, is that if your entire guild can solo the raid you all can have the same max score and yet end up with 47th place loot.

You may as well not bother. Which is why I now don’t.

By your logic as soon as someone can solo a raid the rest of the guild may as well not bother.

"Javick_Starage;c-1736939" wrote:
my point, is that if your entire guild can solo the raid you all can have the same max score and yet end up with 47th place loot.

Yes. And if they all solo every rancor raid, then after a large number of raids they will all end up with more or less the same amount of rewards. The guild receives the same total amount of rewards as any other guild, that performs equally well and kills the rancor. Fair for all.

You may as well not bother. Which is why I now don’t.

By your logic as soon as someone can solo a raid the rest of the guild may as well not bother.

Soloing the raid still puts you ahead of all those, who don't, and gives you a chance to rank first among all those, you tie with. Wether that's worth the bother is up to you.

Personally I only bother, if I rank high after the join period, before the raid becomes active. When rancor raids happen on evenings with other raids, the rule in our guild is, that only the one ranking first after the join period solos it, while everybody else just takes the zero score.

the time should be counted. Who's faster this better.

"lmperator;c-1769756" wrote:
the time should be counted. Who's faster this better.

Lol no

Soon we'll be able to sim the rancor and all get equal rewards. Assuming they tune the rewards somewhat fairly that will be a nice alternative to getting 30th place rewards with a solo.

Agreed! Cannot wait for rancor sims

"Javick_Starage;c-1736829" wrote:
I was thinking about this and I have the solution.

If you manage to solo the raid then you get the top reward. Otherwise it’s done on where you place score wise chronlogicially. E.g 5 people solo it all come first then the next player would be 6th.

This stops the problem of 1 person soloing the raid then everyone else posting 0 scores and getting second.

I really feel this would be such an improvement

I agree completely. This is such an issue for me!!!

I am in a guild, low on the totem pole, but I can manage to solo the rancor. It took me such a long time, effort, etc. In order to get my squad to that point and for others it is very trivial. We have some members who work together and will "wait" a minute or two before starting their solo run. This allows members to try to get top rewards and an "attaboy" to those who are putting time and energy into the raid.

I have finished the raid first, my name on the list as the only name, I have hit refresh and no one else appears, this would verify my score and place (in my opinion). Somehow I finish no higher then 6th-15th.

Final score should be by damage total only. If 10 people do it, they all tie for first. This stops players with more time and money from hoarding everything and gives everyone the same reward for their actions and efforts.

This also extends (and really should) to raid sims. If a raid is "simmable" we would assume that everyone in the guild can solo that raid. In our group we aren't simming directly because of the reward tier. The people who finish "first" don't want to give up that gear.

Now.... My issue, there is no way for me to ever get the pit fighter title in my guild. I would have to go elsewhere, finish it, and then return to my group. I cannot force anyone to stop taking first and share the title. Not in the current system.

"nabokovfan;c-1820105" wrote:

"Javick_Starage;c-1736829" wrote:
I was thinking about this and I have the solution.

If you manage to solo the raid then you get the top reward. Otherwise it’s done on where you place score wise chronlogicially. E.g 5 people solo it all come first then the next player would be 6th.

This stops the problem of 1 person soloing the raid then everyone else posting 0 scores and getting second.

I really feel this would be such an improvement

I agree completely. This is such an issue for me!!!



Final score should be by damage total only. If 10 people do it, they all tie for first. This stops players with more time and money from hoarding everything and gives everyone the same reward for their actions and efforts.

How well did you think this through?
If this is implemented, then guilds with multiple solos will have a huge increase in rewards overall. This seems to work against what you are trying to achieve.

Just relax. As time goes by and you complete a large number of raids, those that solo every time will receive moreor less the same amount of rewards and their rewards will be significantly higher than the rewards of those, who never solo.

Now.... My issue, there is no way for me to ever get the pit fighter title in my guild. I would have to go elsewhere, finish it, and then return to my group. I cannot force anyone to stop taking first and share the title. Not in the current system.

Patience, young padawan. The order of those who tie is random. As some point you will be first too. Check your rank you received during the join period. If you rank high/st here, you will also rank high/1st among those who solo.