"ImYourHuckleberry;579791" wrote:
"Lianara;579695" wrote:
"ImYourHuckleberry;579644" wrote:
"Lianara;579624" wrote:
"ImYourHuckleberry;579617" wrote:
"Lianara;579589" wrote:
"leef;579500" wrote:
This is just a horrible argument. We are debating something neither of us can proof, and you're dismissing it because its an assumption without anything backing it up. Your assumption that it is in fact not what is happening on the forum currently, isnt backed up either. We both made assumptions that neither of us can proof, so simply calling it an assumption is just a hollow argument that looks good on paper.
You and OP made an assumption, which is the basis, the premise, of both of your arguments. I don't have to backup my assumption, merely point out that your original premise is flawed. If you do expect me to provide evidence to disprove your assumption in order to disprove it, this becomes is a logical fallacy, actually called 'Argument from Ignorance',
You would essentially claim that just because I can't disprove something you can't prove, you are right.
The burden of proof of the underlying premise is with those bringing the argument forward, not those calling it wrong. If you do bring any sort of proof, the burden shifts.
And by the way, I am NOT arguing that your (and OPs) premise is right or wrong, just pointing out that lack of facts about the underlying assumption invalidates the argument.
Argument from ignorance (from Latin: argumentum ad ignorantiam), also known as appeal to ignorance (in which ignorance represents "a lack of contrary evidence"), is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proved false (or vice versa). This represents a type of false dichotomy in that it excludes a third option, which is that: there may have been an insufficient investigation, and therefore there is insufficient information to prove the proposition be either true or false. Nor does it allow the admission that the choices may in fact not be two (true or false), but may be as many as four,
true
false
unknown between true or false
being unknowable (among the first three).
In debates, appeals to ignorance are sometimes used in an attempt to shift the burden of proof.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance
Anywhere on the forum, there's criticism of the game, the employees, the company . And they are the same and are repeated often. I don't need to prove this as it's common knowledge, anyone with eyes and a phone can see it.
That wasn't your argument. You claimed was that this criticism is caused by groupthink, and is not genuine. Leef claimed that because I can't prove the contrary, his (and your) argument is valid, which I pointed out is a logical fallacy.
I didn't claim all critcism is caused by group think, only that group think exists now, and can be shown by the critism of the game, the employees and the company, all being similar in nature. This criticism attacks anyone who disagrees with them, so that it in essence silences dissent of their dissent. As you are trying to do to me, through the guise of logical blah, blah.
How exactly can it be shown? Are you really saying that that since is there is criticism of the game, groupthink exists? One is not guaranteed to be derived from the other.
If you were critical to those critical of the game by providing evidence of why they are wrong, I would not have argued with you. But you opinion is not a dissenting opinion, you didn't target specific complaint or complainant, you (wrongly) grouped all complainers into one category. You started disparaging forum users for complaints against the company.
And regardless of your low opinion of logic, it's probably something the forums need more of.
Don't get caught up in your logic. Try to understand what it is I'm actually saying. This forum is one thing, built on negativity that is readily apparent to any who come here. When I go to other forums, say for instance LINE, where I have many acquaintances ...it is nothing like it is here on the forums. My friends on LINE actually like the game, like their guild, like the recent changes to SWGOH, and are having a great time. I know, some may find that hard to believe, but that's because maybe they are in a group of thought that won't allow it that people actually find the game fun and exciting. Each person should think for themself, and THAT is all I am saying. Feel free to dissent, it is our right, but we should always think for ourself and not limit our acquaintances to people here on these forums, or on reddit. Expand the circle of friends. I know many people who don't even come to these forums anymore, just because they don't like the atmosphere, the constant complaints.
So, stop insinuating that it is something it is not. This forum (and Reddit) are the only way short of quitting for people to express their frustration . In fact if you are so afraid of being exposed to it, don't read or engage in these posts. Suggesting that people should think for themselves is commendable. Stating that they are actually not is baseless and arrogant.
