GAC "Matchmaking"
when im at 4.2M GP why i have to face 8M accounts??
what am i supposed to do.. how can i win??
its getting ridiculous.
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when im at 4.2M GP why i have to face 8M accounts??
what am i supposed to do.. how can i win??
its getting ridiculous.
"BubbaFett;c-2412286" wrote:
"scuba;c-2412284" wrote:
"BubbaFett;c-2412282" wrote:
"scuba;c-2412281" wrote:
Make GAC more enjoyable and the big rosters might actually participate and not fall to the scrub ranks ;) . Problem solved.
What about GAC isn't enjoyable?.... I typically respect your opinion, but it's literally a straightforward roster VS. roster battle... If your roster and skills are better you should win... What could be simpler?
I hate platoons, defense is just platoons, units you dump resources into and don't use.
I am also not a PvP person, never really liked it.
I just really don't enjoy TW or GAC.
I don't really have an idea to make it more enjoyable, but I just don't like the format.
There are reasons I am sure these big accounts are not doing GAC and just dropping, my guess would be probably be something to do with the enjoyment factor.
I get others really like these game modes. They are also a necessary evil (for me) so I do TW and some what do GAC.
Platoons in GAC? Wrong game mode man....
Some big rosters drop in GAC because they can whale for the rewards so they dont care.Some drop because they don't enjoy the game mode (will give you that, not a huge TW fan myselfso I don't enjoy all modes either)....
That being said, the lower roster dudes should be happy they get as high as they do because the big roster guys drop...
If it weren't for that, and if everyone was using their rosters to the full potential and being super competitive then these low roster guys would be nowehere near where they are...
They should be happy and stop looking a gift horse in the mouth rather than whining about the few super high roster guys that actually beat them in a round...
i still dont agree with u
if big rosters doesnt drop we will just be matched vs equal opponents
the winrate doesnt have anything do to with all this"BubbaFett;c-2412290" wrote:
"tohn;c-2412288" wrote:
"BubbaFett;c-2412286" wrote:
"scuba;c-2412284" wrote:
"BubbaFett;c-2412282" wrote:
"scuba;c-2412281" wrote:
Make GAC more enjoyable and the big rosters might actually participate and not fall to the scrub ranks ;) . Problem solved.
What about GAC isn't enjoyable?.... I typically respect your opinion, but it's literally a straightforward roster VS. roster battle... If your roster and skills are better you should win... What could be simpler?
I hate platoons, defense is just platoons, units you dump resources into and don't use.
I am also not a PvP person, never really liked it.
I just really don't enjoy TW or GAC.
I don't really have an idea to make it more enjoyable, but I just don't like the format.
There are reasons I am sure these big accounts are not doing GAC and just dropping, my guess would be probably be something to do with the enjoyment factor.
I get others really like these game modes. They are also a necessary evil (for me) so I do TW and some what do GAC.
Platoons in GAC? Wrong game mode man....
Some big rosters drop in GAC because they can whale for the rewards so they dont care.Some drop because they don't enjoy the game mode (will give you that, not a huge TW fan myselfso I don't enjoy all modes either)....
That being said, the lower roster dudes should be happy they get as high as they do because the big roster guys drop...
If it weren't for that, and if everyone was using their rosters to the full potential and being super competitive then these low roster guys would be nowehere near where they are...
They should be happy and stop looking a gift horse in the mouth rather than whining about the few super high roster guys that actually beat them in a round...
i still dont agree with u
if big rosters doesnt drop we will just be matched vs equal opponents
the winrate doesnt have anything do to with all this
OK, so what do you want more? To be matched against players at or near your skill level for lower rewards so that you can have a better win rate or to occasionally get matched against a higher level player and lose but get better rewards in general? You can't have it both ways....
dude.. why do u think this will change the winrate or the rewards ?
(and also "occasionally " it not the right word in my history)"tohn;c-2412292" wrote:
"BubbaFett;c-2412290" wrote:
"tohn;c-2412288" wrote:
"BubbaFett;c-2412286" wrote:
"scuba;c-2412284" wrote:
"BubbaFett;c-2412282" wrote:
"scuba;c-2412281" wrote:
Make GAC more enjoyable and the big rosters might actually participate and not fall to the scrub ranks ;) . Problem solved.
What about GAC isn't enjoyable?.... I typically respect your opinion, but it's literally a straightforward roster VS. roster battle... If your roster and skills are better you should win... What could be simpler?
I hate platoons, defense is just platoons, units you dump resources into and don't use.
I am also not a PvP person, never really liked it.
I just really don't enjoy TW or GAC.
I don't really have an idea to make it more enjoyable, but I just don't like the format.
There are reasons I am sure these big accounts are not doing GAC and just dropping, my guess would be probably be something to do with the enjoyment factor.
I get others really like these game modes. They are also a necessary evil (for me) so I do TW and some what do GAC.
Platoons in GAC? Wrong game mode man....
Some big rosters drop in GAC because they can whale for the rewards so they dont care.Some drop because they don't enjoy the game mode (will give you that, not a huge TW fan myselfso I don't enjoy all modes either)....
That being said, the lower roster dudes should be happy they get as high as they do because the big roster guys drop...
If it weren't for that, and if everyone was using their rosters to the full potential and being super competitive then these low roster guys would be nowehere near where they are...
They should be happy and stop looking a gift horse in the mouth rather than whining about the few super high roster guys that actually beat them in a round...
i still dont agree with u
if big rosters doesnt drop we will just be matched vs equal opponents
the winrate doesnt have anything do to with all this
OK, so what do you want more? To be matched against players at or near your skill level for lower rewards so that you can have a better win rate or to occasionally get matched against a higher level player and lose but get better rewards in general? You can't have it both ways....
dude.. why do u think this will change the winrate or the rewards ?
(and also "occasionally " it not the right word in my history)
If these large rosters played like they should, you would lose more until you dropped into a range where your roster was closer to the average. It would most likely be in a lower division (or league) where you will get less rewards. Eventually you would get back to a 50% win rate, but I doubt you’d be happier.
These crap players are doing you a favor."BubbaFett;c-2412286" wrote:
"scuba;c-2412284" wrote:
"BubbaFett;c-2412282" wrote:
"scuba;c-2412281" wrote:
Make GAC more enjoyable and the big rosters might actually participate and not fall to the scrub ranks ;) . Problem solved.
What about GAC isn't enjoyable?.... I typically respect your opinion, but it's literally a straightforward roster VS. roster battle... If your roster and skills are better you should win... What could be simpler?
I hate platoons, defense is just platoons, units you dump resources into and don't use.
I am also not a PvP person, never really liked it.
I just really don't enjoy TW or GAC.
I don't really have an idea to make it more enjoyable, but I just don't like the format.
There are reasons I am sure these big accounts are not doing GAC and just dropping, my guess would be probably be something to do with the enjoyment factor.
I get others really like these game modes. They are also a necessary evil (for me) so I do TW and some what do GAC.
Platoons in GAC? Wrong game mode man....
Some big rosters drop in GAC because they can whale for the rewards so they dont care.Some drop because they don't enjoy the game mode (will give you that, not a huge TW fan myselfso I don't enjoy all modes either)....
That being said, the lower roster dudes should be happy they get as high as they do because the big roster guys drop...
If it weren't for that, and if everyone was using their rosters to the full potential and being super competitive then these low roster guys would be nowehere near where they are...
They should be happy and stop looking a gift horse in the mouth rather than whining about the few super high roster guys that actually beat them in a round...
Two things:
1. When scuba said "platoons", he meant (and correct me if I'm wrong Scuba) that setting Defense in GAC is like setting Platoons in TB. You gotta read that again, Bubba, and understand what he means.
2. It's not about the rewards for these folks. You keep saying that they should be happy with the rewards and they shouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth....and you're right about the REWARDS; but what you are missing is that THEY ARE NOT HAVING FUN. That is the point most are trying to make. You are substituting Rewards for Fun.
I'm sure they love the rewards, I do too when my opponents don't attack. Is it as fun? No, it is not.
Just take a moment to look at it from THEIR point of view, not yours. I'm not attacking you personally, so please don't take it that way. I'm hopefully capturing the spirit of their argument about the fun side."el_mago;c-2412361" wrote:
"BubbaFett;c-2412286" wrote:
"scuba;c-2412284" wrote:
"BubbaFett;c-2412282" wrote:
"scuba;c-2412281" wrote:
Make GAC more enjoyable and the big rosters might actually participate and not fall to the scrub ranks ;) . Problem solved.
What about GAC isn't enjoyable?.... I typically respect your opinion, but it's literally a straightforward roster VS. roster battle... If your roster and skills are better you should win... What could be simpler?
I hate platoons, defense is just platoons, units you dump resources into and don't use.
I am also not a PvP person, never really liked it.
I just really don't enjoy TW or GAC.
I don't really have an idea to make it more enjoyable, but I just don't like the format.
There are reasons I am sure these big accounts are not doing GAC and just dropping, my guess would be probably be something to do with the enjoyment factor.
I get others really like these game modes. They are also a necessary evil (for me) so I do TW and some what do GAC.
Platoons in GAC? Wrong game mode man....
Some big rosters drop in GAC because they can whale for the rewards so they dont care.Some drop because they don't enjoy the game mode (will give you that, not a huge TW fan myselfso I don't enjoy all modes either)....
That being said, the lower roster dudes should be happy they get as high as they do because the big roster guys drop...
If it weren't for that, and if everyone was using their rosters to the full potential and being super competitive then these low roster guys would be nowehere near where they are...
They should be happy and stop looking a gift horse in the mouth rather than whining about the few super high roster guys that actually beat them in a round...
Two things:
1. When scuba said "platoons", he meant (and correct me if I'm wrong Scuba) that setting Defense in GAC is like setting Platoons in TB. You gotta read that again, Bubba, and understand what he means.
2. It's not about the rewards for these folks. You keep saying that they should be happy with the rewards and they shouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth....and you're right about the REWARDS; but what you are missing is that THEY ARE NOT HAVING FUN. That is the point most are trying to make. You are substituting Rewards for Fun.
I'm sure they love the rewards, I do too when my opponents don't attack. Is it as fun? No, it is not.
Just take a moment to look at it from THEIR point of view, not yours. I'm not attacking you personally, so please don't take it that way. I'm hopefully capturing the spirit of their argument about the fun side.
The issue is that in order to create a viable system which enables them to have fun that will inevitably be balanced in a way which means they receive less in rewards. If that’s what such players want then that’s fine, but they need to understand that that’s the trade-off."Badger_Diaz;c-2412370" wrote:
they’re in the same league cos they’re neglecting GAC or their account, so you’re fairly likely to get a win with 10 points because of their inactivity
Yes. And on a league where only 8M GPs would play they would also neglect GAC and provide the 10 points.
I dare to predict that if matchmaking was made by GP the number of players neglecting their accounts would INCREASE considearbly...as many players (either new or simply not good) would be losing constantly. AS IT IS NOW those "weaker" players will eventually go down to a league where they can win and will keep playing..."Ghost666;c-2412413" wrote:
"Badger_Diaz;c-2412370" wrote:
they’re in the same league cos they’re neglecting GAC or their account, so you’re fairly likely to get a win with 10 points because of their inactivity
Yes. And on a league where only 8M GPs would play they would also neglect GAC and provide the 10 points.
I dare to predict that if matchmaking was made by GP the number of players neglecting their accounts would INCREASE considearbly...as many players (either new or simply not good) would be losing constantly. AS IT IS NOW those "weaker" players will eventually go down to a league where they can win and will keep playing...
You would also have players not fulling developing their rosters to keep the "slim" GP for better match ups, along with the dumb practice of removing mods and anything else a player could do to remove GP.
How do I know, because we had it before. No game mode should encourage to not fully develop your roster."BubbaFett;c-2412368" wrote:
"el_mago;c-2412361" wrote:
"BubbaFett;c-2412286" wrote:
"scuba;c-2412284" wrote:
"BubbaFett;c-2412282" wrote:
"scuba;c-2412281" wrote:
Make GAC more enjoyable and the big rosters might actually participate and not fall to the scrub ranks ;) . Problem solved.
What about GAC isn't enjoyable?.... I typically respect your opinion, but it's literally a straightforward roster VS. roster battle... If your roster and skills are better you should win... What could be simpler?
I hate platoons, defense is just platoons, units you dump resources into and don't use.
I am also not a PvP person, never really liked it.
I just really don't enjoy TW or GAC.
I don't really have an idea to make it more enjoyable, but I just don't like the format.
There are reasons I am sure these big accounts are not doing GAC and just dropping, my guess would be probably be something to do with the enjoyment factor.
I get others really like these game modes. They are also a necessary evil (for me) so I do TW and some what do GAC.
Platoons in GAC? Wrong game mode man....
Some big rosters drop in GAC because they can whale for the rewards so they dont care.Some drop because they don't enjoy the game mode (will give you that, not a huge TW fan myselfso I don't enjoy all modes either)....
That being said, the lower roster dudes should be happy they get as high as they do because the big roster guys drop...
If it weren't for that, and if everyone was using their rosters to the full potential and being super competitive then these low roster guys would be nowehere near where they are...
They should be happy and stop looking a gift horse in the mouth rather than whining about the few super high roster guys that actually beat them in a round...
Two things:
1. When scuba said "platoons", he meant (and correct me if I'm wrong Scuba) that setting Defense in GAC is like setting Platoons in TB. You gotta read that again, Bubba, and understand what he means.
2. It's not about the rewards for these folks. You keep saying that they should be happy with the rewards and they shouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth....and you're right about the REWARDS; but what you are missing is that THEY ARE NOT HAVING FUN. That is the point most are trying to make. You are substituting Rewards for Fun.
I'm sure they love the rewards, I do too when my opponents don't attack. Is it as fun? No, it is not.
Just take a moment to look at it from THEIR point of view, not yours. I'm not attacking you personally, so please don't take it that way. I'm hopefully capturing the spirit of their argument about the fun side.
Understood on the platoons thing... my bad :)
I am 100% with you in that I agree that the game should be fun. I just was lucky enough to have one of the closest GAC battles I had ever had and it was a really fun experience... I won after my lowly Nightsisters were the only team I had left and they held for 13 battles! NOt that my opponent was a bad player or couldn't beat NS, he underestimated the Asajj Omi and didn't have a counter left in his roster. I messaged him and we had fun chatting, it was great. I too wish they were all competitive and fun like that, but they aren't.
While I am with you on "fun", what do you propose? There is a lot more to this game than GP, Squad composition is way more important. Would you propose we go back to the old system and folks of equal GP get matched? Were you around when it was like this? People used to not be able to have fun growing characters they liked or wanted to experiment with because it would raise their GP and they would get put up against someone with similar GP but a much "better" more streamlined roster that had all of the latest and greatest on it and no "fluff"... That certainly wasn't fun, it was terrible.
Maybe "look a gift horse in mouth" is less accurate than "be careful what you wish for"...
Ah, heck, i got nothing to propose to make it more fun for those individuals - I do empathize with them though. I personally think they're barking up the wrong tree as I DO NOT think the previous GAC experience was very fun at all even though I had one of those fairly streamlined rosters. I just didn't win very much. I very much enjoy GAC as it is.
I am routinely the lowest or 2nd lowest in my bracket, but still manage to win most days (for reference, since they revamped GAC in Dec 2022, I have a 84-67 record).
And I really, really hope we don't have to go back to the old way just to "prove" to some of these folks that it was (in my opinion) a terrible way to do matchmaking.- I think the main problem is inactive/disinterested players falling lower than they are intended to be. The current system is great if every player does their best every time.
I think the lower leagues should be protected from these players to keep it fun for newer entrants to the system.
Here's my solution: create a gp floor for each league. If you are over a certain gp, you can't fall out of that league, once you have climbed into it.
A problem with this would be that players moving up could meet an ocean of these inactive accounts that may be impossible to beat, or horrible to come through. Further solution: players above the gp floor limit can still get a lower and lower skill rating, down to a lower limit well below the entry skill rating for the division. So you end up with a pile of big low activity accounts with a skill rating about, let's say, 300 below the points where a player that just climbed into the league starts. The player will immediately only be encountering active accounts, with maybe the odd person diving into the obscurity pool. The main thing is that these plunging accounts don't ruin the fun in the lower leagues.
Players who decide to become active again will take almost a full GAC month to climb back to the competitive area, if they want to. Players that just get 10 points per fight, or don't sign up at all, hang out in the obscurity pool, away from everyone trying to enjoy the game mode.
I don't think I'd have a kyber obscurity pool, but probably having one for brozium, chromium and aurodium would help with this problem. "el_mago;c-2412361" wrote:
... It's not about the rewards for these folks. You keep saying that they should be happy with the rewards and they shouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth....and you're right about the REWARDS; but what you are missing is that THEY ARE NOT HAVING FUN. That is the point most are trying to make. You are substituting Rewards for Fun.
I'm sure they love the rewards, I do too when my opponents don't attack. Is it as fun? No, it is not.
Just take a moment to look at it from THEIR point of view, not yours. I'm not attacking you personally, so please don't take it that way. I'm hopefully capturing the spirit of their argument about the fun side.
Fine, if this is their position/point of view, then there's an incredibly clear and obvious solution to that: intentionally drop to a lower skill rating. Just sit out like every other GAC or something (consider it a break/time off) and they'll steadily start dropping divisions, and in general in those lower divisions they will get matched up more often against gps closer to their own, which are matches they should dominate. If they truly care less about rewards and more about fun then they will have no major problem with this. If they continue to be unhappy then that's just them being disingenuous. As the other person replying to you said, they can't have it both ways.
