GAC rework
I think a way to possibly do this is to make it somewhat fair while not incentivizing skinny rosters is to make it based on how old your account is. They could reset GAC and start everyone that curre...
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How.....would that be fairer than the ladder system?!
If I took a couple of years off the game and then I came back......I'd be totally mismatched every time. This is a horrendous idea.
The system is a good system. It just need a few very small tweaks to remove some issues.
Maybe don’t quit? I think OP’s idea is miles better than what we have. Plus it disincentivizes quitting which is positive for the game. The system is not good for new players since they get ridiculous matchups. This or a beginners league would be the way to go to make it more fair for them.
There IS a beginner league. It's called Carbonite. There's a lot of problems with OP's suggestion, not least of which is that if you fall behind, you won't really be able to claw your way back up
A beginner’s league where 6-10 million GP players drop to face itty bitty rosters. And before you say anything yes the problem is even prevalent in Carbonite 4 and 5. It’s already hard for new players to climb, facing on average 3-6 million GP differences. So why not try something new? At least if you take a break for a bit it might only be like a 1-2 million GP difference instead. Another way to resolve this, however, is making it so inactive players go into a separate shard. So if you don’t play for like a month or something like that then you get booted from your current GC shard and get placed into an inactive one for inactive players.
If they're dropping into Carbonite, they're not very active. As has been said many times before, do what you can, submit the score, and hope they take the day off - as is surely their track record, seeing as they've dropped down so far
I'm going to be quite blunt here; I'm quite disappointed by your response. On another GAC thread I thought you had well thought out and reasoned arguments (for somebody who hasn't experienced the other GAC). However, supporting this idea is just garbanzo beans. No offence to the OP, but sorry it has zero merit.
Do you think a lot of Arena shards are healthy places? They are not, and can be quite scary. There is no way they wouldn't become clicky with group discords. That is super unhealthy.
it disincentivizes quitting
How does it? It punishes quitting, but it doesn't disincentivise quitting. That's 2 very different things. Reasons for quitting usually are becoming bored, jaded, don't have time, want to try something new etc. The threat of being punished in your GAC shard for not keeping up with the Joneses is not motivation not to quit. If anything, it's motivation to quit and not come back.
This or a beginners league would be the way to go to
Well we talked about this. I believe it was my idea to introduce a beginners league. I'd go as far as say that it's become necessary. It's quite clear the spirit of the game is not in full effect for people new to GAC. This shard idea though, isn't very beneficial to beginners, and gets more and more horrid the longer you go on. You won't be a beginner forever, you need to consider everybody.
Another idea I saw, and I thought was pretty genius. Egnard (on the whole wants GAC to be too rigid), but one idea he had was an 'activity' score. You gain and lose activity points depending on how engaged you are with your GAC matches. You then face other players with the same activity score. The is a very elegant and unobtrusive fix to the free-falling problem.
It’s already hard for new players to climb, facing on average 3-6 million GP differences.
I'm not sure the free-falling accounts are a reason for new players finding it difficult to climb. After all if these players played all the time they'd be above them on the ladder anyway, right?
The issue isn't win percentages, but the gaming experience. The spirit of GAC should be match ups you can engage in and have fun. It shouldn't be try to win one and hope your opponent doesn't play. That's just really stinky. I think if you're playing well, you'll climb regardless, just it should be an engaging, strategic and fun experience.
My big worry is how many players are entering GAC have a stinky experience and being done with it. I'd say the health of GAC, a 'tadpole' league is a necessity.
harvestmouse1 Bruh punishing players for quitting DOES disincentivize quitting. How else did you think this was going to happen? Also I like how you didn’t touch on my idea to place inactive players in a totally different shard. Kinda solves the problem of inactive players falling behind.
Edit: I said this before I saw you had posted something addressing this. I think the activity score is a pretty ok idea to remedy this so good job.harvestmouse1 wrote:
“Do you think a lot of Arena shards are healthy places?”Did you forget the fact that we have two shard type game players anyway with squad and fleet arena? Also joining discords is optional and probably one not explored too often by new players. And if you’re worried about crap talking then you should advocate for CG to disable the in-game chat feature, because it still happens regardless of if there are arena shards or not.
Also yes, I was regurgitating your idea. I think a beginners league would be a fine idea. New players facing big rosters is not fun and does ruin the spirit of GAC. And that perfectly brings me toOutrunWhistle‘s post. It is not fun to just cross your fingers and hope your opponent doesn’t play. It does not matter if you win the match. You cannot tell me with a straight face that just hoping your opponent doesn’t come to play is fun gaming.
I do not care if you are “disappointed” in my response. I do not need your approval in what I say. Feel free to disagree with me all you want, in fact I know you, ATM and probably a whole army of people on this forum will disagree with me about GAC. Most of you are of the opinion that the system we have is the best one and I could not disagree more. I think OP’s idea isn’t so utterly dastardly that it can’t be done. I think with a tweak or two it might be a fine idea and I certainly think it is an improvement to what we have. And before someone decides to dig in to my GAC history and tell me that I win enough, I am well aware. I prepare well for my opponents by looking at swgoh.gg and thorough planning. It’s not always perfect, but I usually win more consistently from it. I am coming at this from the perspective of a brand new player. When I started playing GAC it sucked because of this problem. Additionally, it is happening to new players all over. That is my sole focus.
Feel free to disagree with me all you want, in fact I know you, ATM and probably a whole army of people on this forum will disagree with me about GAC. Most of you are of the opinion that the system we have is the best one and I could not disagree more.
Please don't Strawman me; I'm interested in improving the system. Yes, I am a high Kyber player, but I am seriously worried about the new player experience. It clearly isn't right. Without the new players having a good introduction to the game mode, the game mode will die.
I don't agree with the 'everything's fine, they still win 50% of their games' argument. Some of those games are not within the spirit of intention, and that's the problem. The interactive experience.
However, unlike you I feel the ladder system (engine if you will) is sound. I don't think we need to ditch the engine and randomly replace it with something that will most likely be worse. Small tweaks will make massive differences. I feel that's what is needed half a dozen or so 'small tweaks' and it'll improve the interactive experience for a large percentage of the players.
Did you forget the fact that we have two shard type game players anyway with squad and fleet arena?
No I did not, and really they need to be gone. Well Squad Arena not really anymore as it has zero meaning. However, check the forums for the horror stories from arena shards. It's basically Lord of the Flies. If you're lucky, you'll get a good one, if not....then it is hell or you're literally frozen out of the game mode. Anything, is better than player run shards.
Also joining discords is optional
Not really. If the people running the shard want you on the discord, you're on the discord or you're frozen out of the shard. If the guys running the shard say you wear pink socks on Tuesdays.....you're taking pictures of your pink socks and uploading them to the discord chat. You're allowing the player base to decide the rules.
Also, if it's a shard, where's the dream of reaching the top? Do you really want to be stuck with the same group for eternity?
not explored too often by new players.
This isn't just about new players. Yes, a shard would be better for new players (than what they have now) for a little while. However, you'd be forcing shard play on everybody. Also, new players aren't new players for very long. Once you progress your view point will continually change and you experience different aspects of the game mode. At some point everybody that's doing well will be 'invited' to a discord chat.
It is not fun to just cross your fingers and hope your opponent doesn’t play. It does not matter if you win the match. You cannot tell me with a straight face that just hoping your opponent doesn’t come to play is fun gaming.
This is the point you're not seeing my PoV. For me, the intending spirit is everything. Be that laws, how something works, how a gaming environment is intended is everything. I really don't think it's OK to day 'Meh they won, everything is OK'. There needs to be a competitive interaction. It's not fun gaming, it needs to go. However, it can go with the ladder system we have. The engine just needs a little fine tuning.
I do not care if you are “disappointed” in my response.
I'm disappointed in your short-sightedness. In the long run new players aren't new players. When you consider changes, you need to consider everyone. You'd win a lot in a shard (as long as you keep on the right side of those who will run it). However, the experience for most, and you eventually would be lousy. Outside of new players for a short period or newish players doing well for a short period, it has zero merit as an idea.
I am coming at this from the perspective of a brand new player. When I started playing GAC it sucked because of this problem.
But we've come up with ideas to fix things for new players, without burning the game mode to the ground for everybody else. There's a couple of easy fixes that won't affect anybody else and we can all go on with our lives. Safe in the knowledge that newer players are getting a better gaming experience.
If CG want to, they can fix the problem quite easily. We don't need to drastically change anything.
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