GAC system maybe ?

"Screerider;c-2393901" wrote:
You eventually hit that 50-50 W/L rate, so there would appear to be some fun to be had about half the time.

No!
Just because you win doesn't mean you had fun, for example if you won because your opponent didn’t show or just did the bare minimum. Especially if they otherwise would have won.
And as the other commenter mentioned, it is not about winning.

Also, do you really want to say that, even if it were how you wrote, people should accept to have fun only half the time? Do you really think that is a good strategy for a game studio? This is a game and people play it because they want to have fun, that's the whole reason for playing a game. Guess why people stop playing games...

Maybe use the search box and look for any discussions about matchmaking, there is a lot of post about MM and the same questions/answers always come back

I think the fun factor is very important.

One thing to note; if you're visiting this site, your more invested in the game, compared to the casual player. My guildmates are all roughly between 6 and 8.5 million, and I think only 2 or 3 visit here. It surprises me how much out of the loop most of them are on counters and such.

Anyway I digress....... My point is that all of us here probably do better than the average player. So our views probably don't represent the average player a lot of the times.

I've been playing Grand Arena since its launch. When it was launched I was extremely casual and pretty clueless, even though I'd been playing for a couple of years (maybe). At some point I became dedicated. Under the old system I went from a 4/8 player to a 10/2 player.

I'll admit that as the player I was at the end of the GP system, was as much fun if not more fun for me compared to now.................playing GAC. However, watching my GP and only working on characters 'on the path', not levelling leadership abilities I may not use, not activating new characters etc etc is (for me extremely unfun in a gacha game).

Going back to any GP match making in GAC (especially with the rewards in GAC now) would 100% affect the rest of your SWGOH. I really don't want that, and having experienced it, I don't think it's remotely a good idea.

Also, we need to think about the old 4/8 harvestmouse. GAC really wasn't fun for him, it was a real chore. Players like that and those with even worse win records would suffer and find it less fun than you guys are currently.

I'll say it again. Active vs inactive matches are far from balanced and need to be dealt with. Active vs active are fair, no matter what the GP. These are the players that need protecting and do not have a voice on the forums.

"harvestmouse;c-2394007" wrote:
I think the fun factor is very important.

Luckily for you, CG does not.

"harvestmouse;c-2394007" wrote:
I think the fun factor is very important.

Going back to any GP match making in GAC (especially with the rewards in GAC now) would 100% affect the rest of your SWGOH. I really don't want that, and having experienced it, I don't think it's remotely a good idea.

Also, we need to think about the old 4/8 harvestmouse. GAC really wasn't fun for him, it was a real chore. Players like that and those with even worse win records would suffer and find it less fun than you guys are currently.

I never played in GP based matchmaking system and i am a 2 m player. But i completely agree on having GP based matchmaking would be disaster. What i am trying to say is, in 2022 (near 2023) we can have algorthms that can draw pictures that win art contests, fly airplanes or drive cars. How hard is it to implement a code to detect player regularly lose with 0 banner and match them against eachother, while keeping active players engage eachother.

"Silcrow;c-2394063" wrote:

"harvestmouse;c-2394007" wrote:
I think the fun factor is very important.

Going back to any GP match making in GAC (especially with the rewards in GAC now) would 100% affect the rest of your SWGOH. I really don't want that, and having experienced it, I don't think it's remotely a good idea.

Also, we need to think about the old 4/8 harvestmouse. GAC really wasn't fun for him, it was a real chore. Players like that and those with even worse win records would suffer and find it less fun than you guys are currently.

I never played in GP based matchmaking system and i am a 2 m player. But i completely agree on having GP based matchmaking would be disaster. What i am trying to say is, in 2022 (near 2023) we can have algorthms that can draw pictures that win art contests, fly airplanes or drive cars. How hard is it to implement a code to detect player regularly lose with 0 banner and match them against eachother, while keeping active players engage eachother.

It's not "hard," it's just not what they want to do.

It's easy to state, in natural language, "keep active players engage each other". It's also easy to write code to do that, given a quantified definition of "active". The hard part is to give a quantified definition of "active" that won't break some other aspects of the mode.

"Silcrow;c-2394063" wrote:

"harvestmouse;c-2394007" wrote:
I think the fun factor is very important.

Going back to any GP match making in GAC (especially with the rewards in GAC now) would 100% affect the rest of your SWGOH. I really don't want that, and having experienced it, I don't think it's remotely a good idea.

Also, we need to think about the old 4/8 harvestmouse. GAC really wasn't fun for him, it was a real chore. Players like that and those with even worse win records would suffer and find it less fun than you guys are currently.

How hard is it to implement a code to detect player regularly lose with 0 banner and match them against eachother, while keeping active players engage eachother.

Well I'm not sure it is easy. So we're not looking at 0 banner attempts on the whole. To get rewards you need to attack at least once. So that could be anything from 10 to 69 banners.

On the opposite side, you can have a disastrous offence, fail on half a dozen attempts and have less than 69 banners, but actually legitimately tried to win.

Are we then saying to players; ok you must play on even if you're sure to lose? That is a dead sure way of losing the player base or/and destroying morale.

"Lumiya;c-2393995" wrote:

"Screerider;c-2393901" wrote:
You eventually hit that 50-50 W/L rate, so there would appear to be some fun to be had about half the time.

No!
Just because you win doesn't mean you had fun, for example if you won because your opponent didn’t show or just did the bare minimum. Especially if they otherwise would have won.
And as the other commenter mentioned, it is not about winning.

Actually, I took that into account when I made that statement. Some losses can be fun as well.

"PeachyPeachSWGOH;c-2394068" wrote:
It's easy to state, in natural language, "keep active players engage each other". It's also easy to write code to do that, given a quantified definition of "active". The hard part is to give a quantified definition of "active" that won't break some other aspects of the mode.

This is the problem. It’s easy to pick out an inactive account. It’s much harder to determine why they are inactive. And I wouldn’t support a system that punishes accounts because of RL problems. Or establishes some sort of “you have to participate this much or stop playing” mentality.