I know it’s been discussed many times before as being unfair, but I wanted to share my most recent experience with the tiebreaking system. Here’s the results of the final (to decide first place) 3v3 battle: Now, I’m significantly lower GP than my opponents, which is a huge problem that many are experiencing currently. Here’s what I don’t understand though: if you can’t get players into fair matchups, the tiebreaker shouldn’t be decided by GP. Or “arena power”, whatever that term is they use. It really sucks to do an incredible job as a significantly weaker combatant, and then get shafted by the tiebreaking mechanic. Sorry, but if someone with 1.5m higher GP allows a tie, I don’t believe they should be awarded the win.

"Antario;c-2376228" wrote:"RuffStuff;d-258001" wrote:I know it’s been discussed many times before as being unfair, but I wanted to share my most recent experience with the tiebreaking system. Here’s the results of the final (to decide first place) 3v3 battle: Now, I’m significantly lower GP than my opponents, which is a huge problem that many are experiencing currently. Here’s what I don’t understand though: if you can’t get players into fair matchups, the tiebreaker shouldn’t be decided by GP. Or “arena power”, whatever that term is they use. It really sucks to do an incredible job as a significantly weaker combatant, and then get shafted by the tiebreaking mechanic. Sorry, but if someone with 1.5m higher GP allows a tie, I don’t believe they should be awarded the win. Again (for the trillion times) the match-up is FAIR because there is no match-making logic except win-loss performance. You got matched with him means you both have similar win-loss records. And the fact you got tied only reinforce it even more. False. In order for that match to occur the higher GP roster must have a significantly worse win-loss record than the lower GP roster otherwise their skill ratings would never coincide, having started far apart when GAC was originally seeded using roster GP.And this system is set up to distribute crystals by pushing all players towards a 50% win rate over the long term. Such balanced or "fair" matches as may occur are merely a happy coincidence.

"Sazerac;c-2376234" wrote:Also 1.5m différence isnt much. I see people almost 3x my gp on my alt account. With 2.6m gp. But yea I somewhat agree with you. Not sure why gp is the tie breakerYeah, I agree with you. I’ve matched against some 6m or 7m opponents before. The main reason for this post was just the absurdity of the tiebreaking system when you’re literally forced to play against people with higher GP, kinda weird man.

"Antario;c-2376228" wrote:"RuffStuff;d-258001" wrote:I know it’s been discussed many times before as being unfair, but I wanted to share my most recent experience with the tiebreaking system. Here’s the results of the final (to decide first place) 3v3 battle: Now, I’m significantly lower GP than my opponents, which is a huge problem that many are experiencing currently. Here’s what I don’t understand though: if you can’t get players into fair matchups, the tiebreaker shouldn’t be decided by GP. Or “arena power”, whatever that term is they use. It really sucks to do an incredible job as a significantly weaker combatant, and then get shafted by the tiebreaking mechanic. Sorry, but if someone with 1.5m higher GP allows a tie, I don’t believe they should be awarded the win. Again (for the trillion times) the match-up is FAIR because there is no match-making logic except win-loss performance. You got matched with him means you both have similar win-loss records. And the fact you got tied only reinforce it even more. Interestingly, one of my recent matches also ended up in a tie in favor for my opponent. At the end, we just enjoyed the tense fight and had some fun in the in-game chat afterwards. Get over it and move on. No, the matchmaking system is not “fair”. There is a significant outcry from guild mates, content creators, and others on the forums that agree with me. You practically cannot defeat someone with a GL on defense if you have none. CG literally set it up that way, especially with the nerfing of viable GL counters in the past. When you have players at 2m GP going up against players at 6m GP who have two GLs, and you still call that fair, I don’t want to know what you’d consider unfair lol.I’m glad you can stay in good spirits on a loss, but I’m sure you can still understand why a loss like this would be frustrating.

"HokieFiend;c-2376342" wrote:They are rewarding people that have either spent more time with the game, have put in money or both with the tie breaking system. You give them too much credit. They knew a tie breaker was needed, so they picked the easiest option.

"RuffStuff;c-2376337" wrote:"Sazerac;c-2376234" wrote:Also 1.5m différence isnt much. I see people almost 3x my gp on my alt account. With 2.6m gp. But yea I somewhat agree with you. Not sure why gp is the tie breakerYeah, I agree with you. I’ve matched against some 6m or 7m opponents before. The main reason for this post was just the absurdity of the tiebreaking system when you’re literally forced to play against people with higher GP, kinda weird man. This tie breaking mechanism dates back to the original Grand Arena (pre-GAC) when matchmaking was by full roster GP and the GP spread between matched players was negligible.Back then it was just a cheap, predictable alternative to an RNG coinflip.Now with GP ignored in matchmaking and spreads of a million GP or more between the players it's just plain silly to automatically hand the tiebreak to the higher GP player.

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Rath_Tarr0
3 years ago
"Antario;c-2376228" wrote:
"RuffStuff;d-258001" wrote:
I know it’s been discussed many times before as being unfair, but I wanted to share my most recent experience with the tiebreaking system. Here’s the results of the final (to decide first place) 3v3 battle:

Now, I’m significantly lower GP than my opponents, which is a huge problem that many are experiencing currently. Here’s what I don’t understand though: if you can’t get players into fair matchups, the tiebreaker shouldn’t be decided by GP. Or “arena power”, whatever that term is they use. It really sucks to do an incredible job as a significantly weaker combatant, and then get shafted by the tiebreaking mechanic.
Sorry, but if someone with 1.5m higher GP allows a tie, I don’t believe they should be awarded the win.

Again (for the trillion times) the match-up is FAIR because there is no match-making logic except win-loss performance. You got matched with him means you both have similar win-loss records. And the fact you got tied only reinforce it even more.

False. In order for that match to occur the higher GP roster must have a significantly worse win-loss record than the lower GP roster otherwise their skill ratings would never coincide, having started far apart when GAC was originally seeded using roster GP.

And this system is set up to distribute crystals by pushing all players towards a 50% win rate over the long term. Such balanced or "fair" matches as may occur are merely a happy coincidence.
RuffStuffGaming
3 years ago
"Sazerac;c-2376234" wrote:
Also 1.5m différence isnt much. I see people almost 3x my gp on my alt account. With 2.6m gp.

But yea I somewhat agree with you. Not sure why gp is the tie breaker

Yeah, I agree with you. I’ve matched against some 6m or 7m opponents before. The main reason for this post was just the absurdity of the tiebreaking system when you’re literally forced to play against people with higher GP, kinda weird man.
RuffStuffGaming
3 years ago
"Antario;c-2376228" wrote:
"RuffStuff;d-258001" wrote:
I know it’s been discussed many times before as being unfair, but I wanted to share my most recent experience with the tiebreaking system. Here’s the results of the final (to decide first place) 3v3 battle:

Now, I’m significantly lower GP than my opponents, which is a huge problem that many are experiencing currently. Here’s what I don’t understand though: if you can’t get players into fair matchups, the tiebreaker shouldn’t be decided by GP. Or “arena power”, whatever that term is they use. It really sucks to do an incredible job as a significantly weaker combatant, and then get shafted by the tiebreaking mechanic.
Sorry, but if someone with 1.5m higher GP allows a tie, I don’t believe they should be awarded the win.

Again (for the trillion times) the match-up is FAIR because there is no match-making logic except win-loss performance. You got matched with him means you both have similar win-loss records. And the fact you got tied only reinforce it even more.

Interestingly, one of my recent matches also ended up in a tie in favor for my opponent. At the end, we just enjoyed the tense fight and had some fun in the in-game chat afterwards. Get over it and move on.

No, the matchmaking system is not “fair”. There is a significant outcry from guild mates, content creators, and others on the forums that agree with me. You practically cannot defeat someone with a GL on defense if you have none. CG literally set it up that way, especially with the nerfing of viable GL counters in the past. When you have players at 2m GP going up against players at 6m GP who have two GLs, and you still call that fair, I don’t want to know what you’d consider unfair lol.

I’m glad you can stay in good spirits on a loss, but I’m sure you can still understand why a loss like this would be frustrating.
Persimius
Rising Scout
3 years ago
"HokieFiend;c-2376342" wrote:
They are rewarding people that have either spent more time with the game, have put in money or both with the tie breaking system.

You give them too much credit. They knew a tie breaker was needed, so they picked the easiest option.
Rath_Tarr0
3 years ago
"RuffStuff;c-2376337" wrote:
"Sazerac;c-2376234" wrote:
Also 1.5m différence isnt much. I see people almost 3x my gp on my alt account. With 2.6m gp.

But yea I somewhat agree with you. Not sure why gp is the tie breaker

Yeah, I agree with you. I’ve matched against some 6m or 7m opponents before. The main reason for this post was just the absurdity of the tiebreaking system when you’re literally forced to play against people with higher GP, kinda weird man.

This tie breaking mechanism dates back to the original Grand Arena (pre-GAC) when matchmaking was by full roster GP and the GP spread between matched players was negligible.

Back then it was just a cheap, predictable alternative to an RNG coinflip.

Now with GP ignored in matchmaking and spreads of a million GP or more between the players it's just plain silly to automatically hand the tiebreak to the higher GP player.
Rath_Tarr0
3 years ago
"Screerider;c-2376349" wrote:
There should never be an incentive to not grow your GP.

Only a complete moron would suppress their GP just in case they happened to get into a GAC tiebreaker at some point. :D
M0st1yHarm1ess
New Spectator
3 years ago
"Antario;c-2376351" wrote:
"StarSon;c-2376343" wrote:
"HokieFiend;c-2376342" wrote:
They are rewarding people that have either spent more time with the game, have put in money or both with the tie breaking system.

You give them too much credit. They knew a tie breaker was needed, so they picked the easiest option.

How many matches per season really end up in a tiebreak? Certainly not enough worth the coding effort for changing the rule.

And why is it less fair that the person, who made more GP investment (and maybe even by paying) get the win? I can imagine it's very fair in CG's eyes.

It's true that there are probably not a lot of ties, especially under the new matchmaking, but then, what coding effort? All they have to do is to change literally from:

if player1_gp > player2_gp then player1_wins()

to:

if player1_gp < player2_gp then player1_wins()
Rath_Tarr0
3 years ago
"HokieFiend;c-2376379" wrote:
"PeachyPeachSWGOH;c-2376363" wrote:
"Antario;c-2376351" wrote:
"StarSon;c-2376343" wrote:
"HokieFiend;c-2376342" wrote:
They are rewarding people that have either spent more time with the game, have put in money or both with the tie breaking system.

You give them too much credit. They knew a tie breaker was needed, so they picked the easiest option.

How many matches per season really end up in a tiebreak? Certainly not enough worth the coding effort for changing the rule.

And why is it less fair that the person, who made more GP investment (and maybe even by paying) get the win? I can imagine it's very fair in CG's eyes.

It's true that there are probably not a lot of ties, especially under the new matchmaking, but then, what coding effort? All they have to do is to change literally from:

if player1_gp > player2_gp then player1_wins()

to:

if player1_gp < player2_gp then player1_wins()

There is no fair way to determine a winner in a tie. Players that tie should just split the top rewards and not get penalized skill rating. Then add in w/l/t record for determining round rewards.

On merit - the player with less resources

Impartial - RNG coin flip

CG - the player with the most resources even if they have a million more GP and two more GLs and still couldn't get the higher score
AntarioXP
3 years ago
"RuffStuff;d-258001" wrote:
I know it’s been discussed many times before as being unfair, but I wanted to share my most recent experience with the tiebreaking system. Here’s the results of the final (to decide first place) 3v3 battle:

Now, I’m significantly lower GP than my opponents, which is a huge problem that many are experiencing currently. Here’s what I don’t understand though: if you can’t get players into fair matchups, the tiebreaker shouldn’t be decided by GP. Or “arena power”, whatever that term is they use. It really sucks to do an incredible job as a significantly weaker combatant, and then get shafted by the tiebreaking mechanic.
Sorry, but if someone with 1.5m higher GP allows a tie, I don’t believe they should be awarded the win.

Again (for the trillion times) the match-up is FAIR because there is no match-making logic except win-loss performance. You got matched with him means you both have similar win-loss records. And the fact you got tied only reinforce it even more.

Interestingly, one of my recent matches also ended up in a tie in favor for my opponent. At the end, we just enjoyed the tense fight and had some fun in the in-game chat afterwards. Get over it and move on.
Loriginal1986
Seasoned Newcomer
3 years ago
Also 1.5m différence isnt much. I see people almost 3x my gp on my alt account. With 2.6m gp.

But yea I somewhat agree with you. Not sure why gp is the tie breaker