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Ive played since the beginning of May and I've been faced with a really lame fact over and over again recently. The feeling of making no progress.

There isn't much to do first of all. Nothing new for months and the forseeable future. Sim the challenges and same nodes, auto the credit heist. Raiding is essential but often a huge drag and a chore. GW is a little fun sometimes but also a chore. Ship battles are often a draw, rewards for ranking higher aren't that exiting. I think the mode that feels the most important, largely due to the rewards, is arena. I know this isnt everyone, but I know its a lot of people. Everything I do, everything I progress in is to get farther in arena, with raiding a slight exception.

But arena sucks. Its always the same
shard mates. As arena continues, Im not spending anywhere near as much as many in the top 20, evidenced by the surplus of new gear 11 characters they have. Its a fight to stay in the same place, if not fall as slowly as possible. And everytime I upgrade, they upgrade. It feels like it cancels out.

This leads me to my main point. I sit and think to myself and say, hey, wait a second..... Im fighting to get the same rewards as someone who just started the game. Except I keep hearing newer shards are often even less competitive than those around my age. Whats up with that? Arena shards suck, they ensure that you always \"keep pace\" with people you arent beating anyone new or any of the new players.

Tournaments a great example of how progress in this game isn't really progress. Someone who's level 85 is probably better than that lvl 70 who won 6 Star Jyn Erso but the game has decided that that lvl 70 deserves better rewards than thousands of lvl 85s. Tournament brackets absolutely suck.

I am constantly feeling like despite having played for so long theres almost no reward, no advantage to being a veteran. Yeah, I know, several months ago I progressed enough to do better in raids and beat certain events, mostly with unimportant rewards... but even so these things are small exceptions in what feels like a game where there is no reward for progress.

And finally yes, You can play the game just to collect characters, but I know theres a lot of players who feel similarly to how I feel, competitive, I guess.

Ive been more and more tired of game lately. I feel like quiting, and maybe I will. But I've put a lot into the game... which is ironic because for what ive put in im in the same arena place, same raid award ranking, beating the same events and doing the same thing for months. I feel like I havent earned much for all the time $ and effort put in.

One solution I can see to this problem is a huge tournament bracket, the entire player base wide and with the top reward rank being several thousand players wide, and the second like that and so on..

What are your thoughts?
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Ive played since the beginning of May and I've been faced with a really lame fact over and over again recently. The feeling of making no progress.

There isn't much to do first of all. Nothing new for months and the forseeable future. Sim the challenges and same nodes, auto the credit heist. Raiding is essential but often a huge drag and a chore. GW is a little fun sometimes but also a chore. Ship battles are often a draw, rewards for ranking higher aren't that exiting. I think the mode that feels the most important, largely due to the rewards, is arena. I know this isnt everyone, but I know its a lot of people. Everything I do, everything I progress in is to get farther in arena, with raiding a slight exception.

But arena sucks. Its always the same
shard mates. As arena continues, Im not spending anywhere near as much as many in the top 20, evidenced by the surplus of new gear 11 characters they have. Its a fight to stay in the same place, if not fall as slowly as possible. And everytime I upgrade, they upgrade. It feels like it cancels out.

This leads me to my main point. I sit and think to myself and say, hey, wait a second..... Im fighting to get the same rewards as someone who just started the game. Except I keep hearing newer shards are often even less competitive than those around my age. Whats up with that? Arena shards suck, they ensure that you always \"keep pace\" with people you arent beating anyone new or any of the new players.

Tournaments a great example of how progress in this game isn't really progress. Someone who's level 85 is probably better than that lvl 70 who won 6 Star Jyn Erso but the game has decided that that lvl 70 deserves better rewards than thousands of lvl 85s. Tournament brackets absolutely suck.

I am constantly feeling like despite having played for so long theres almost no reward, no advantage to being a veteran. Yeah, I know, several months ago I progressed enough to do better in raids and beat certain events, mostly with unimportant rewards... but even so these things are small exceptions in what feels like a game where there is no reward for progress.

And finally yes, You can play the game just to collect characters, but I know theres a lot of players who feel similarly to how I feel, competitive, I guess.

Ive been more and more tired of game lately. I feel like quiting, and maybe I will. But I've put a lot into the game... which is ironic because for what ive put in im in the same arena place, same raid award ranking, beating the same events and doing the same thing for months. I feel like I havent earned much for all the time $ and effort put in.

One solution I can see to this problem is a huge tournament bracket, the entire player base wide and with the top reward rank being several thousand players wide, and the second like that and so on..

What are your thoughts?
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\"Malthael;846497\" wrote:

Yes, you may be right to state that the rewards for lvl - 80 were great compared to 80+. But the issue isn't with the tournaments below lvl 80, but with the tournaments lvl 80+.

And in these tournaments (+lvl80) veterency does count, a lot
(Someone that started in December 2015 vs You (May shard) vs a October shard player: under equal circumstances the guy that started in Dec.2015 has a huge advantage).

The more playing time you have
a) the more (potencially at least) ally points you had banked
b) the bigger the roster,(and if your roster is bigger) the refreshes become proportionally cheaper.

Yes, in theory lvl 80+ tournaments do reward veterancy a little bit, but I really think they more reward whaley-ness than veterancy. Once in a while if im lucky I can get into the top 100 of a tournament, but my most of F2P guildmates usually dont come close, even those who started earlier than I.

A bigger issue is that many people have speculated that your roster size and depth is taken into account when put into brackets, which completely negates the point of rewarding veterancy, instead punishing it.

However, either way as tournaments are right now, flawed and grueling they certainly dont really feel like a reward. Perhaps if tournaments are cleaned up this would make me feel better about the whole thing.

Also imo, the lower than lvl 80 tournaments rewards thing is a huge issue.

\"Malthael;846497\" wrote:

- bigger rosters score better in raids (more solutions)... so you get to progress faster (more currency etc);
- You get to participate in more events... again, progressing faster;
- You probably farmed some key characters before (e.g. Boba, anakin, teebo), so you can allocate your resources in to mod farming or the new characters that get released;
- You probably have more banked currency (cantina currency/ galactic wars/ arena) making you progress faster in ships (buying ships left and righ in gw... buying credits and droids in cantina... etc) which will make you get more currency in fleet shipments/ Zetas to... again progress faster than a player thats as started a few months after you...

You dont score better in raids though, because your guild is also progressing too. Ive been at about the same spot for a long time and I dont see that really changing. Once you get a good raid team and your guild has one things dont change much.

As I said earlier unless your guild is usually made up of new players then zetas don't really feel like a reward, as your shardmates and guildmates are also in the same position as you. A new player wont have to deal with opposing zetas until they themselves start getting them, and both of us fight for the same rewards.

Cantina currency is a decent point but its minor. GW is not applicable, because before ships were released Ally points were used by CG to empty most of us who banked, leaving players from 6 months old and onward all in basically the same boat. And youre not really progressing any faster, if anything the new ship currency (and the fact that new players face much weaker ship teams for the same rewards) means faster progression for new players.

\"Malthael;846497\" wrote:

Not mentioning the gear barrier, that keeps pilling up, and that should seem everyday more unsurpassable to newer players...

The gear barrier sucks for everyone. I suppose from the standpoint of character collecting, vets are at a large advantage when it comes to gear, but my OP is writen from the perspective that arena is most important, and there, vets dont have an advantage.

\"Malthael;846497\" wrote:

If anything this game should be more noob friendly.

Signed:
Someone that started around the same time as you.

\"Malthael;846497\" wrote:

Yes, you may be right to state that the rewards for lvl - 80 were great compared to 80+. But the issue isn't with the tournaments below lvl 80, but with the tournaments lvl 80+.

And in these tournaments (+lvl80) veterency does count, a lot
(Someone that started in December 2015 vs You (May shard) vs a October shard player: under equal circumstances the guy that started in Dec.2015 has a huge advantage).

The more playing time you have
a) the more (potencially at least) ally points you had banked
b) the bigger the roster,(and if your roster is bigger) the refreshes become proportionally cheaper.

\"Malthael;846497\" wrote:

- bigger rosters score better in raids (more solutions)... so you get to progress faster (more currency etc);
- You get to participate in more events... again, progressing faster;
- You probably farmed some key characters before (e.g. Boba, anakin, teebo), so you can allocate your resources in to mod farming or the new characters that get released;
- You probably have more banked currency (cantina currency/ galactic wars/ arena) making you progress faster in ships (buying ships left and righ in gw... buying credits and droids in cantina... etc) which will make you get more currency in fleet shipments/ Zetas to... again progress faster than a player thats as started a few months after you...

\"Malthael;846497\" wrote:

Not mentioning the gear barrier, that keeps pilling up, and that should seem everyday more unsurpassable to newer players...

\"Malthael;846497\" wrote:

If anything this game should be more noob friendly.

Signed:
Someone that started around the same time as you.

Funny thing is is that I agree to a certain extent, I actually wrote a thread befoe talking about this problem with new players. But the game having noob hostility problems and vet problems are not exclusive of each other. I cant refute the fact Im playing for the same rewards for months and will be it seems for months if I continue to 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