It isn't all about GP. Your opponent has the same skill level. He/she could have a bad strategy, bad mods or participation isn't great.With the right strategy, there is still a chance you can win.

That isn't even much of a disparity tbh. But like the reply above you can have better mods more GL and omicron starkiller etc or better skilled overall

There's a guy in my collective's starter guild who has 972k GP. His opponent in round 1 was 3.6 mil GP.If I have to explain to you how lopsided that is then something is wrong.

The old division systems didn't work either. A hybrid of them both would.That way you get fair matchups across a similar GP range

"Azhriaz;c-2352682" wrote:Still, there is a point where the difference is too big. I have 3.6M GP and am currently in Chrome 2.My opponents usually have more than 5M GP. I know I can beat opponents with 5.1M GP - I already have.But against opponents with 6M GP I simply have absolutely no chance. Then why am I in Chrome 2? Because the opponents don't attack! My last two opponents (7.1M and 6.4M) didn't attack.And that's just frustrating. I can only win if the opponent doesn't attack.Sorry, but this is no fun.I don't mind losing, but I want real competition. I'm happy when I can beat someone who has more GP. I'm not sad when someone who supposedly is weaker beats me.But winning because the other doesn't attack is pointless.Therefore the GP should play a role, at least as a factor.That's a huge difference & if folks are saying its not, they're delusional. People like to troll on here & make you feel like you don't have a valid point or that you are alone. Don't listen to those people. Things like this need to be posted. That is basically twice you're GP & no matter how good your roster is at that level. 2x your size is too much. Sorry you got that matchup

Getting old with the GP disparity - every level is having this problem besides Kyber 1

evilhighlander
Rising Newcomer
3 years ago
"Shawkat;c-2354363" wrote:
Let me save you some time. Here is how it actually works. For example in Kyber 2 most people only attack or try to win against opponents that are way below their roster. Because that is their only chance to win. So if they are facing similar roster, they don't really put much effort in. Let's say they have 8 mil GP and 6 GLs - basically a complete roster. They only attack an opponent with 3 GLs, because the chance to win there is higher. Just like in squad arena before where you could've picked easier and faster battles to climb. This is what's happening in GAC now.

My experience in Kyber 2 is virtually the opposite. The only players I have encountered that don't make an effort are the ones with 2-3 million GP more than me.. That's why they are dropping, and no doubt why I ended up facing them.
I always put in the effort, and since the end of the second season, my SR has varied less than 100 points... (well, maybe 120) usually just above the cusp of dropping to kyber 3, occasionally dipping down and rising again.
CCyrilS
3 years ago
"Recurve;c-2354963" wrote:
GA is in such a cruddy place.
Squish is pushing down everyone so you rise back up and fight the people with more GLs than you because they don't know how to play the game, but just set them all on defense.
It is so boring to go into GA with 3 GLs and get matched with people who have all 6.

Not to mention the game crashes all the time, it was fine in squad arena because you wait 10~ mins and go again.. in GA it can cost you the entire match. Bullsh*t place to put all the crystals now. It has lost most of it's fun.

Explain how the squish affects who you're matched against.
Weenz321
3 years ago
There was a squish on the 4th/5th of April, we are into the third round of the season
CCyrilS
3 years ago
"Recurve;c-2354970" wrote:
There are more people getting squished down into the lower kyber brackets, so Kyber 1 is shrinking all the time.
This is pushing the bigger GP people who aren't as good at the game lower into the lesser kyber brackets.
I win my games at k2 and get promoted back or float around here.. only to keep facing more and more opponents with 5-6 GLs.

Kyber 1 has far less people in it now because of squishes that happen.
I wish I could explain the squish in greater detail but CG doesn't give us any info on what actually happens or affects it, I'm just looking at the ranking numbers for players in my guild near the threshold and their overall rank is just under 7k now at 3621 rating (3610 is the K1 cutoff)... this used to be waaaay more people in here.
Kyber 2 has around 20,000 people so more are getting pushed down

K1 isn't shrinking (as a percentage) it stays the same.
Pushing people who aren't as good down? Actually it's their performance that causes them to drop, but that's literally the point.
The squish happens AFTER the round starts, and doesn't change rankings, so you haven't shown how it possibly affects your matches.
CCyrilS
3 years ago
"MaruMaru;c-2354977" wrote:
"CCyrilS;c-2354976" wrote:
"Recurve;c-2354970" wrote:
There are more people getting squished down into the lower kyber brackets, so Kyber 1 is shrinking all the time.
This is pushing the bigger GP people who aren't as good at the game lower into the lesser kyber brackets.
I win my games at k2 and get promoted back or float around here.. only to keep facing more and more opponents with 5-6 GLs.

Kyber 1 has far less people in it now because of squishes that happen.
I wish I could explain the squish in greater detail but CG doesn't give us any info on what actually happens or affects it, I'm just looking at the ranking numbers for players in my guild near the threshold and their overall rank is just under 7k now at 3621 rating (3610 is the K1 cutoff)... this used to be waaaay more people in here.
Kyber 2 has around 20,000 people so more are getting pushed down

K1 isn't shrinking (as a percentage) it stays the same.
Pushing people who aren't as good down? Actually it's their performance that causes them to drop, but that's literally the point.
The squish happens AFTER the round starts, and doesn't change rankings, so you haven't shown how it possibly affects your matches.

Do you have any data that it isn't shrinking on percentage? I don't, but I vaguely remember k1 standings in 5 digit numbers at the beginning. Either way, the above data point I gave of 3611-7332th spot can be used whether or not this is happening next time we get to it.

The entire purpose is to keep the percentages in each division/league within the stated ranges. I don't remember them exactly, but they have been posted.
CCyrilS
3 years ago
"MaruMaru;c-2354982" wrote:
"CCyrilS;c-2354979" wrote:
"MaruMaru;c-2354977" wrote:
"CCyrilS;c-2354976" wrote:
"Recurve;c-2354970" wrote:
There are more people getting squished down into the lower kyber brackets, so Kyber 1 is shrinking all the time.
This is pushing the bigger GP people who aren't as good at the game lower into the lesser kyber brackets.
I win my games at k2 and get promoted back or float around here.. only to keep facing more and more opponents with 5-6 GLs.

Kyber 1 has far less people in it now because of squishes that happen.
I wish I could explain the squish in greater detail but CG doesn't give us any info on what actually happens or affects it, I'm just looking at the ranking numbers for players in my guild near the threshold and their overall rank is just under 7k now at 3621 rating (3610 is the K1 cutoff)... this used to be waaaay more people in here.
Kyber 2 has around 20,000 people so more are getting pushed down

K1 isn't shrinking (as a percentage) it stays the same.
Pushing people who aren't as good down? Actually it's their performance that causes them to drop, but that's literally the point.
The squish happens AFTER the round starts, and doesn't change rankings, so you haven't shown how it possibly affects your matches.

Do you have any data that it isn't shrinking on percentage? I don't, but I vaguely remember k1 standings in 5 digit numbers at the beginning. Either way, the above data point I gave of 3611-7332th spot can be used whether or not this is happening next time we get to it.

The entire purpose is to keep the percentages in each division/league within the stated ranges. I don't remember them exactly, but they have been posted.

That's the stated purpose. What I'm asking is if that's what's really happening. By posted you mean the intended % in each league was posted somewhere?

Yes. For example, I think 10% of kyber should be in k1.
CCyrilS
3 years ago
10, 25, 30, 25, 10. For divisions 1-5 respectively.
David64742
3 years ago
"Shawkat;c-2354363" wrote:
Let me save you some time. Here is how it actually works. For example in Kyber 2 most people only attack or try to win against opponents that are way below their roster. Because that is their only chance to win. So if they are facing similar roster, they don't really put much effort in. Let's say they have 8 mil GP and 6 GLs - basically a complete roster. They only attack an opponent with 3 GLs, because the chance to win there is higher. Just like in squad arena before where you could've picked easier and faster battles to climb. This is what's happening in GAC now.

I’ve been in Kyber 2 for many weeks in a row and this isn’t my experience at all. I am wondering what the basis of your claim is.
CCyrilS
3 years ago
"MaruMaru;c-2354987" wrote:
"CCyrilS;c-2354984" wrote:
"MaruMaru;c-2354982" wrote:
"CCyrilS;c-2354979" wrote:
"MaruMaru;c-2354977" wrote:
"CCyrilS;c-2354976" wrote:
"Recurve;c-2354970" wrote:
There are more people getting squished down into the lower kyber brackets, so Kyber 1 is shrinking all the time.
This is pushing the bigger GP people who aren't as good at the game lower into the lesser kyber brackets.
I win my games at k2 and get promoted back or float around here.. only to keep facing more and more opponents with 5-6 GLs.

Kyber 1 has far less people in it now because of squishes that happen.
I wish I could explain the squish in greater detail but CG doesn't give us any info on what actually happens or affects it, I'm just looking at the ranking numbers for players in my guild near the threshold and their overall rank is just under 7k now at 3621 rating (3610 is the K1 cutoff)... this used to be waaaay more people in here.
Kyber 2 has around 20,000 people so more are getting pushed down

K1 isn't shrinking (as a percentage) it stays the same.
Pushing people who aren't as good down? Actually it's their performance that causes them to drop, but that's literally the point.
The squish happens AFTER the round starts, and doesn't change rankings, so you haven't shown how it possibly affects your matches.

Do you have any data that it isn't shrinking on percentage? I don't, but I vaguely remember k1 standings in 5 digit numbers at the beginning. Either way, the above data point I gave of 3611-7332th spot can be used whether or not this is happening next time we get to it.

The entire purpose is to keep the percentages in each division/league within the stated ranges. I don't remember them exactly, but they have been posted.

That's the stated purpose. What I'm asking is if that's what's really happening. By posted you mean the intended % in each league was posted somewhere?

Yes. For example, I think 10% of kyber should be in k1.

The closest I can find to that statement is here:
https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/251720/state-of-the-galaxy-november-2021#latest

"Your Skill Rating will be adjusted after each event and the group of opponents you face will be matched based on your Skill Rating. All players that finish the season in the Division 1 (the top 10% of the League) are promoted into the next League up and players in Division 5 of their League (the bottom 10%) will move down. (NOTE: You will not face another player outside of your League)"

Is this what you mean?

Could be. We've had the numbers a long time without question, I don't really remember where they came from to start with.
CCyrilS
3 years ago
"MaruMaru;c-2354993" wrote:
"CCyrilS;c-2354989" wrote:
"MaruMaru;c-2354987" wrote:
"CCyrilS;c-2354984" wrote:
"MaruMaru;c-2354982" wrote:
"CCyrilS;c-2354979" wrote:
"MaruMaru;c-2354977" wrote:
"CCyrilS;c-2354976" wrote:
"Recurve;c-2354970" wrote:
There are more people getting squished down into the lower kyber brackets, so Kyber 1 is shrinking all the time.
This is pushing the bigger GP people who aren't as good at the game lower into the lesser kyber brackets.
I win my games at k2 and get promoted back or float around here.. only to keep facing more and more opponents with 5-6 GLs.

Kyber 1 has far less people in it now because of squishes that happen.
I wish I could explain the squish in greater detail but CG doesn't give us any info on what actually happens or affects it, I'm just looking at the ranking numbers for players in my guild near the threshold and their overall rank is just under 7k now at 3621 rating (3610 is the K1 cutoff)... this used to be waaaay more people in here.
Kyber 2 has around 20,000 people so more are getting pushed down

K1 isn't shrinking (as a percentage) it stays the same.
Pushing people who aren't as good down? Actually it's their performance that causes them to drop, but that's literally the point.
The squish happens AFTER the round starts, and doesn't change rankings, so you haven't shown how it possibly affects your matches.

Do you have any data that it isn't shrinking on percentage? I don't, but I vaguely remember k1 standings in 5 digit numbers at the beginning. Either way, the above data point I gave of 3611-7332th spot can be used whether or not this is happening next time we get to it.

The entire purpose is to keep the percentages in each division/league within the stated ranges. I don't remember them exactly, but they have been posted.

That's the stated purpose. What I'm asking is if that's what's really happening. By posted you mean the intended % in each league was posted somewhere?

Yes. For example, I think 10% of kyber should be in k1.

The closest I can find to that statement is here:
https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/251720/state-of-the-galaxy-november-2021#latest

"Your Skill Rating will be adjusted after each event and the group of opponents you face will be matched based on your Skill Rating. All players that finish the season in the Division 1 (the top 10% of the League) are promoted into the next League up and players in Division 5 of their League (the bottom 10%) will move down. (NOTE: You will not face another player outside of your League)"

Is this what you mean?

Could be. We've had the numbers a long time without question, I don't really remember where they came from to start with.

Ok then, can't say that was convincing the % in each division/league is staying constant.

Since the playerbase doesn't suddenly expand or contract the next -just at the k1 cutoff- also be something close to 7300th spot. I'll try to keep in mind and report back on next squish.

That's how it's meant to work, and there's been no reason to doubt it. But by all means, knock yourself out.