Getting old with the GP disparity - every level is having this problem besides Kyber 1

Maybe this helps explain it. We already went over it on another thread:

"Recurve;c-2355041" wrote:
So basically, there were far too many players in the higher divisions, so the squish is reducing this number and therefore the amount of payouts. This is pushing the larger rosters down into the lower divisions and ergo the squish is affecting matchmaking for players who do well in GAC
Nothing to do with skill rating. These matchups in Kyber 2 are way harder and against higher GP rosters than ever before.

The root cause is not the squish. There are two underlying factors, one long-term and the other temporary:

1. Rosters grow, so there is the inherent tendency of people rising into K1. The "hardware" requirement to stay in K1 is thus constantly raising. Just like how it used to be in the squad arena.

2. The 3rd fleet requirement are pushing down the GP heavy but ship light rosters. Fundamentally this is still part of 1.

I don't think Recurve is explaining himself very well, but I do agree that the squish can play a role in MM. Not for the first bracket of a new season, but for the second.

Example, Player A and Player B are 300 points apart before the squish. A goes 3-0 and gains ~120 points. B goes 0-3 and loses ~120 points. They are still ~60 points apart and have no chance of getting matched up. If the squish made them 60 points closer, the same results would make them ~0 points apart, and they would have a chance of getting matched in the 2nd bracket of the season.

However, his claim that the squish is somehow punishing those that do well doesn't make sense to me. If anything, by reining in accounts from runaway SR, it allows those climbing the ranks to close the gap quicker. But maybe he sees the matchup of Players A and B in the scenario above to be a punishment to A, I don't know :shrug:

New GAC - New round of "FUN"

Me - 7.3 million 3/6 GLs

First - 8.2 million 5/6 GLS
Second - 8.5 million 6/6 GLs

fantastic

I'd suggest more GLs. I'm 7.8 and 5 and mostly behind the curve now.

7.9, just unlocked my third GL earlier in the month and about halfway to their ult.

I get matched up against 4m rosters with multiple GLs. I tend to win those because the only characters they have are requirements for GLs, making their rosters so thin that what they have left over will struggle against even my crummy little g12 defenses. Oh man and don't get me started on how awful their ships are...

Sometimes I lose, though. Could I win more if I put relic teams on defense? Yeah, probably, but I built those teams to play with them, so I'm going to use them on offense.

The long and the short of it is that if you're going up against people with 3+ million gp than you, then congratulations on beating all the people with normal rosters on your level that you now have to go up against normal rosters in other levels. The way you overcome that hurdle is to build out the base of your skinny, skinny roster so that now YOU are the one who has a normal roster.

Some here think that playing light to lower themselves to a lower tier for the rewards is okay. For many who are new to the game or a few years in get hurt by your greed. Don't get mad because you think stealing rewards at lower levels is okay. You have a roster capable of taking out that tier with ease to move up, but instead you complain you can't get rewards because either A) you're not good at strategies, B) too lazy to compete at a higher level C) just want the rewards and would absolutely complain if the same was being done to you. It's sad to see people in a tier with literally 2-3 mill more in gp, and think it's okay, but dislike actually having to compete closer to what they have. Solution? Certainly, once they progress to tier Don't let them regress. Base part of it on gp. There are people with 5 67 gp in bronzium. Seriously? That's okay but you're going to tell me you only have that much for guild events and it's not a true evaluation? Sorry but you're only lying to yourself.

Tell me why someone who is still new at 4.5 gp and zero gl should be playing someone with 2 gls and 6 + gp.

"harvestmouse;c-2362913" wrote:

"RobotixWD40;c-2362908" wrote:
Tell me why someone who is still new at 4.5 gp and zero gl should be playing someone with 2 gls and 6 + gp.

They never have nor would match make by GL amount. This would basically give you a reason not to get a GL.

GP is not a great way to match make. When we did there were far more diverse win percentages compared to now. They could I guess use GP as a factor. However, not really necessary for a 6-4.5 mil match up. If they've been paired it could quite easily be because the 4.5 million player has the better roster.

The sandbagging is the problem, not the match making.

Actually that's exactly what happens to me. I have no GLs at all and in the current round only one other has no gls, but the rest have at least 2 and a 2 gp or more jump. I agree it's sandbagging, but it happens because they don't play once the enter. They lose at first dropping them in classes then win easily against weaker rosters. Often only doing enough so they can reap rewards. Towards the end they will climb back up to get higher daily awards, but drop back down again to steal higher round rewards. Gp is not the only way to rate. But obviously that kind if disparity , the lower isn't matched fairly against what is obviously a stronger roster. The only way that doesn't apply is someone increases all the roster with few even reliced characters.

I guess my question would be why not let a person only drop one class then the highest they have achieved. Everyone should want to go higher. For better daily rewards. This would stop the sandbagging to at least one class. I say one because sometimes you can win by good strategy or match ups as well as lose. The championship should be encouraging one to climb for the rewards. Whether daily or during tournament. Some just figured out how to maximize that by playing lower rosters. It discourages participation. I love when I win, as anyone would,but it sucks to lose to someone you know you shouldn't be matched against.in fact in my round right now I am at 556 arena rank the last place person? 31, 4 of them are in the top 200. 2 are less than 400. The leader 418. How did I get matched to this? I get it Arena rankings can be misleading. But I struggle to climb arena. These people clearly have good rosters and the certainly don't belong in chromium 3. I just fell to chromium 4 because of this. And I know I probably didn't belong there but elevated because a few i won was because they simply didn't battle. I am not notched to the strongest roster and if I win it's because he wants to drop again. If I win it's because he didn't try. If I lose, it's only because he wants to maintain his tier.