It isn't all about GP. Your opponent has the same skill level. He/she could have a bad strategy, bad mods or participation isn't great.With the right strategy, there is still a chance you can win.

That isn't even much of a disparity tbh. But like the reply above you can have better mods more GL and omicron starkiller etc or better skilled overall

There's a guy in my collective's starter guild who has 972k GP. His opponent in round 1 was 3.6 mil GP.If I have to explain to you how lopsided that is then something is wrong.

The old division systems didn't work either. A hybrid of them both would.That way you get fair matchups across a similar GP range

"Azhriaz;c-2352682" wrote:Still, there is a point where the difference is too big. I have 3.6M GP and am currently in Chrome 2.My opponents usually have more than 5M GP. I know I can beat opponents with 5.1M GP - I already have.But against opponents with 6M GP I simply have absolutely no chance. Then why am I in Chrome 2? Because the opponents don't attack! My last two opponents (7.1M and 6.4M) didn't attack.And that's just frustrating. I can only win if the opponent doesn't attack.Sorry, but this is no fun.I don't mind losing, but I want real competition. I'm happy when I can beat someone who has more GP. I'm not sad when someone who supposedly is weaker beats me.But winning because the other doesn't attack is pointless.Therefore the GP should play a role, at least as a factor.That's a huge difference & if folks are saying its not, they're delusional. People like to troll on here & make you feel like you don't have a valid point or that you are alone. Don't listen to those people. Things like this need to be posted. That is basically twice you're GP & no matter how good your roster is at that level. 2x your size is too much. Sorry you got that matchup

Getting old with the GP disparity - every level is having this problem besides Kyber 1

M0st1yHarm1ess
New Spectator
3 years ago
"zatho;c-2352920" wrote:
"PeachyPeachSWGOH;c-2352917" wrote:
"zatho;c-2352860" wrote:
I could imagine that recalculation of skill ratings would take into account GP difference and GL-mismatch. If you lose vs. more GLs and/or more GP, then you don't loose much skill value. But if you lose against an enemy with less GLs and/or less GP, you drop further in skill rating.
And of course if you can win against more GLs and/or more GP, you gain more skill Value than against a weaker enemy.

This doesn't solve the sinking roster problem though? In fact it would actually make the inactive rosters sink even faster, and stay down there for longer.

Why is this a problem if inactive roster sink to the ground?

Well, I just thought the main complaint on this thread had been the "GP disparity" - that younger rosters were getting matched up with heavy rosters.
M0st1yHarm1ess
New Spectator
3 years ago
"zatho;c-2352923" wrote:
"PeachyPeachSWGOH;c-2352922" wrote:
"zatho;c-2352920" wrote:
"PeachyPeachSWGOH;c-2352917" wrote:
"zatho;c-2352860" wrote:
I could imagine that recalculation of skill ratings would take into account GP difference and GL-mismatch. If you lose vs. more GLs and/or more GP, then you don't loose much skill value. But if you lose against an enemy with less GLs and/or less GP, you drop further in skill rating.
And of course if you can win against more GLs and/or more GP, you gain more skill Value than against a weaker enemy.

This doesn't solve the sinking roster problem though? In fact it would actually make the inactive rosters sink even faster, and stay down there for longer.

Why is this a problem if inactive roster sink to the ground?

Well, I just thought the main complaint on this thread had been the "GP disparity" - that younger rosters were getting matched up with heavy rosters.

With my solution they are still matched up but don't lose points in there skill rating. So it reduces the damage.

Ok, I see what you are thinking now. Sure, once all the inactive rosters sink to the absolute bottom of ocean, they'll just stay there and get matched up against each other. But they still cause the disparities on the way. Also what about those who do play occasionally? They don't sink all the way.
JCTucker
3 years ago
"Lor_San_Teka;c-2352705" wrote:
Oh, it's in Kyber 1, also.

I'm 8.9 facing an 11M opponent. This after beating a 9.6 to earn this matchup.

But I'm not going to whine about it, because that's the system. If this super kraken misplays, I have a shot.

Update. I did not win, but I did have a shot. I had 2 misplays of my own. First time I've run up against multiple R9 tanks (5s and RG), and the SLKR / NS counter failed due to just too much dps from my opponent. Wampacron couldn't handle R7/8 Iden Troopers. I took it as the learning experience I needed.
Fingolfin26
3 years ago
I don't see why this is so challenging an issue. Start with the current matchmaking, then after you've got everyone grouped further refine the matches based on number of gls bare minimum. A gl will trump skill with a given roster when you don't have enough tools. Then you get people who are at least close on number of gls, and there's a reasonable chance of victory for both sides
CCyrilS
3 years ago
"Fingolfin26;c-2352993" wrote:
I don't see why this is so challenging an issue. Start with the current matchmaking, then after you've got everyone grouped further refine the matches based on number of gls bare minimum. A gl will trump skill with a given roster when you don't have enough tools. Then you get people who are at least close on number of gls, and there's a reasonable chance of victory for both sides

Terrible idea. Takes away a hard earned advantage for those who have GLs.

Also, your premise that GLs trump skill is absolutely false. I just went 3-0 and every single opponent had more GP and more GLs (and they all showed up to play)

Terrible idea.
Disruptor92
Seasoned Traveler
3 years ago
GP is not everything. I'm 7M and just beat a 9.4M account that pretty much had everything, and with relics at that. They actually played well but made one small mistake that caused them to drop a battle. I punished that and ended up winning with a 1 banner difference.
nothingfac947
3 years ago
I think this is the best matchmaking has ever been.
harvestmouse1
Rising Novice
3 years ago
New systems works perfectly fine without the sandbaggers. The skill system can't really take into account sandbagging. So higher reward penalties and less skill points lost for sandbagging might help.
templarphoenix
New Spectator
3 years ago
Just curious how do you seperate sandbagging and reallife problems?
pinguinbooks
3 years ago
here is an idea to "punish" sandbaggers:
don't reward everyone with the same amount of crystals for a win. put in the gp difference as a factor (maybe only if the difference gets to high, like it exceeds 10% of the players gp). so low gp winning against a big one will give significantly more crystals.