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- ccmooseNew Novice
"Joebo720;c-2330195" wrote:
"Ragnarok_COTF;c-2330191" wrote:
How could the new one not pan out? What is the fail condition for you?
By making the skill rating numbers too small with not enough gap to really sort accounts out. AS you squish people from the top it becomes a cascading effect. Probably should have had a higher top number to let people settle in a sweet spot sooner.
There do seem to be some reported irregularities with the squish. I won't argue that if they over-squish, there will be issues. - ccmooseNew NoviceI suspect there's more volatility in different parts of the ladder. I've been hovering around 800-1000th in K1, and my last 10 matches have all been reasonable--most were very competitive.
Since going 3-0 in the first bracket, which I don't think meant anything, I've gone W-L-W | L-W-L | W-L-W | W--
So for my small sample, it's been pretty good.
I also have a guildmate that went 6-0, then got stomped in the next 6 because he climbed too high. Curious to see how this week goes for him.
Some of this early volatility could have been smoothed out, imo, if we weren't locked into a bracket for 3 rounds. But in the long run, I still see this working out well, at least for what I want out of GAC. - I don’t understand why people think GP is still used in matchmaking. It’s based solely on the Skill rating. They’ve been very transparent on this. Of all the things to riot over, this shouldn’t be one of them.
Believe it or not, there used to be a time before GP even existed. We used to simply collect, gear, and fight our characters without arbitrary numbers assigned to them. Hard to imagine now, but it’s true. "Ragnarok_COTF;c-2330475" wrote:
"ImaSmakya;c-2330473" wrote:
"Screerider;c-2330472" wrote:
When the new system was announced, it sure seemed like *everyone* expected matchmaking to be atrocious, like really really bad, for the first several seasons. At least 3 or 4 seasons, maybe longer. But that it would eventually settle down into some sort of fair 50/50 win rate. Yet here we are, after ONE single season, folks seem to have forgotten this expectation.
Expecting it unfortunately does not preclude people from complaining about it when it happens.
One can complain about it without deriding the system as a whole. Plenty of folks in my guild discord complain about their bad matches. But it's in jest. And they understand that won't happen often the longer this goes on.
Here, one person complains, a bunch more people bandwagon and claim the system is broken.
I wasn’t arguing one way or the other, just stating that expecting something and complaining about it are not mutually exclusive. Also, if you think that complaining about bad MM will decrease the longer this system is in place…"Wed_Santa;c-2330542" wrote:
That would only be true if it was the median player not the average. There might be one realllllly dumb player that skews the mean.
You know, who doesn’t understand averages…
And when two people are talking about how dumb the average person is, probability says one of them is below the median line.- perfidius44Rising Newcomer
"NicWester;c-2330553" wrote:
if there were half as smart as they think they are, would still be ten times smarter than they actually are.
Math is hard. "jonnysiniwal;c-2330565" wrote:
Anyone who thinks it is actually skill based is hopelessly naive. The system is designed to push you into matches that are impossible to win.
So both people will lose every time? ?"Starslayer;c-2330573" wrote:
"NicWester;c-2330553" wrote:
if there were half as smart as they think they are, would still be ten times smarter than they actually are.
Math is hard.
Reading is hard. They think they're 20 times smarter than they actually are."Gorgus;c-2330603" wrote:
If you’re in a bracket with players with higher GP than you, it means that you’re got a good roster for your GP, and that’s a good thing.
No, it's not a good thing. On my alt I am 2.2 mil gp, no GL yet. Last round there was a guy with 4.5 mil gp and GL Rey, this round I am facing right now another 4.5 mil gp, which seems to be deliberately inactive. He lost the first round, as I did too. His teams are auto-deployed. The same thing with that one with GL Rey. They were inactive, so no, it doesnt mean I have a good roster for my gp. No no no..."Itsa_me_Malario;c-2330066" wrote:
"el_mago;c-2330062" wrote:
I feel like people are fundamentally misunderstanding how the skill rating works.
This. It dont matter how much GP you got, you are matched against people with the same skill, im sitting at 3272 rating and I will face anyone with the rating of 3310 to 3610. It doesn't matter if that person got 9 mil gp or 1 mil gp
This is incorrect. Claiming people are misunderstanding skill rating, and then proceeding to misunderstand skill rating.
You are not matched against people ONLY with the same skill. Because skill rating does NOT only reflect skill. Skill rating also reflects activity.
Someone who is highly skilled but only plays 50% of matches will be "Skill Rated", as an example, with someone less skilled who plays 100% of matches.
Therefor,e you have misunderstood skill rating."Ragnarok_COTF;c-2330625" wrote:
"Xland;c-2330621" wrote:
"Gorgus;c-2330603" wrote:
If you’re in a bracket with players with higher GP than you, it means that you’re got a good roster for your GP, and that’s a good thing.
No, it's not a good thing. On my alt I am 2.2 mil gp, no GL yet. Last round there was a guy with 4.5 mil gp and GL Rey, this round I am facing right now another 4.5 mil gp, which seems to be deliberately inactive. He lost the first round, as I did too. His teams are auto-deployed. The same thing with that one with GL Rey. They were inactive, so no, it doesnt mean I have a good roster for my gp. No no no...
Well... it could also mean your opponent is bad at the game or doesn't care.
I think the big issue is that some folks don't want to accept a long-run 50% win rate. And they don't like that doing so will require some unfair matches along the way.
No, they can't be bad. Looking at their roster, I simply can't win, period. Not in a billion years. Oh, being inactive is something else, auto-deploy gives me a victory against a guy double my gp. I don't know what to make of this system, it's something fishy about it, I didn't like the old one either, it was annoying trying to fulfill those quests for additional points.
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