10 years ago

GW /Should/ Be Hard.

Dear SWGOH Devs;

There are a lot of complaints on this forum and Reddit about GW becoming too hard again.

This is just a guess, but my experience is that players asking for GW to be easier or to be nerfed have one or two high-level, high-gear, 7* teams so they can maximize their Arena rewards.

If you have one or two Level 80, Gear 8+, 7* Arena teams, along with a bench of unbuilt, low-star, low-gear toons; Yes - for those players, GW (and for that matter, Raids and certain Events) will be difficult. But, you chose to build one or two teams - GW being difficult is the consequence of your choice.

GW rewards players who build multiple teams.

For players like myself, I chose to build 5 teams. I level each member of each team sequentially - all 25 toons are around level 72, between 5-7*'s, and between Gear 7 and 8. I do well in Arena - usually ranking between 175 and 250. Not ideal, but I defeat GW every night, and am consistently top of my Guild in Raids, and can compete in almost every Event.

I use my GW, Raid and (somewhat meager) Arena rewards to level each of my 25 core toons. On average they level up one Level per week, with Shards and Gear being a 'catch as catch can' approach. And I'm perfectly content with this. Eventually my 25 toons will get to Level 80, Gear 8+, 7* - but, they'll get there more slowly, and they'll get there together.

GW (and Raids) are my favorite part of SWGOH. Not Arena. That's why I built multiple teams - I realized that the only way to consistently defeat GW each night was to take this approach.

Nerfing GW only serves to rewards players who only built one or two teams for Arena. Those players are already being rewarded - by obtaining better Arena payouts.

For those of us who have spread our resources across multiple teams, consistently defeating GW, doing well in Raids (albeit at a lower Tier), and participating in more Events is our reward.

Nerfing GW to placate or mollify players who have a one/two team strategy is not equitable.

This is my plea to the Developers to not nerf GW. Galactic Wars should be hard. Hell, make it more difficult.

Sincerely,

Rebel Bass

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60 Replies

Pindasauskanon
10 years ago
Actually you are wrong the ones that were complaining about gw were all the high level players and many of them were actually whales. Capable of fielding 4 or more squads in gw. The main complaint was it takes too long to complete it, because you're facing meta arena teams starting at node 3 or even 1.
I have 25 7* heroes and was affraid to upgrade my arena team for the difficulty spike at 37k. It was just crazy that I should keep my arena power low or gw will become very tedious and slow. So I and many others like the change.
If you want a difficult gw try and make it difficult for yourself (no hero can die, 4 man team, jedi vs dooku)
Gezeshik
10 years ago
RebelBass, the hard GW is all about dodge teams. I have enough of them in top20 arena and i don't want to spend an hour+ hoping for good RNG to beat 'em. If the second part of gw consisted of Diverse© teams and especially leads there would be no problem in playing against maxed teams. But if i face multiple double tank dodge teams in GW I want to kill my phone.
Ultimately, I play the game to have some fun and kill some time while waiting for smt, etc. Not to spend it feeling i'm doing chore of a job trying to complete this mas day after day again. So no pls, I don't want your hard GW. If arena is not enough for u, pls refresh it as much as you like and fight your top 5 dodge double teams over and over again.
badsmack
10 years ago
"Asavanor;515978" wrote:
If only it weren't based on arena teams but rather have the teams you face span the gamut of every character in the game. I don't mind difficult GW. I hate facing the same five or six characters in the same format over and over again. Slog fest = zero fun.

Part of this is due to the 'chasing the meta' mentality of many Arena teams. I build teams that I find fun to play, with characters from the SW universe that I like. Many players just build teams that will provide the highest rate of Arena returns.

It would be interesting if the GW algorithm tracked which toons you'd already played, and tried to avoid pitting you against teams with too many of the same toons for each battle. The meta has recently become more diverse - we're seeing dodge, assist, droid, rebel, clone and ewok teams. I'm personally seeing more diversity in GW nightly than I did back in February.
badsmack
10 years ago
"Gezesh_Rahl;516000" wrote:
RebelBass, the hard GW is all about dodge teams. I have enough of them in top20 arena and i don't want to spend an hour+ hoping for good RNG to beat 'em. If the second part of gw consisted of Diverse© teams and especially leads there would be no problem in playing against maxed teams. But if i face multiple double tank dodge teams in GW I want to kill my phone.
Ultimately, I play the game to have some fun and kill some time while waiting for smt, etc. Not to spend it feeling i'm doing chore of a job trying to complete this mas day after day again. So no pls, I don't want your hard GW. If arena is not enough for u, pls refresh it as much as you like and fight your top 5 dodge double teams over and over again.

The concern about facing the same types of teams over and over in GW is legitimate. There are two ways to resolve this; 1.) The Devs could add a check to the GW algorithm to increase adversary diversity by reducing 'repeat' toons and/or leader powers for each battle; 2.) Arena players could field more diverse teams, rather than just the typical dodge teams.
1amyourfath3r
10 years ago
The issue today with GW isn't necessarily the difficulty - it's the distinct irregularity from what it has been previous weeks. Some had easy end-nodes, some had max geared end-nodes. Almost everyone had a high gear node 6. And I'm now up to 5 people who had the identical max geared Node 12.

This is not an intended change by CG/EA. This is a bug, likely caused by last nights server issues.
pac0naut
10 years ago
Everyone was surprised with GW today.
atlwitcher
10 years ago
"RebelBass;50580" wrote:
Dear SWGOH Devs;

There are a lot of complaints on this forum and Reddit about GW becoming too hard again.

This is just a guess, but my experience is that players asking for GW to be easier or to be nerfed have one or two high-level, high-gear, 7* teams so they can maximize their Arena rewards.

If you have one or two Level 80, Gear 8+, 7* Arena teams, along with a bench of unbuilt, low-star, low-gear toons; Yes - for those players, GW (and for that matter, Raids and certain Events) will be difficult. But, you chose to build one or two teams - GW being difficult is the consequence of your choice.

Nerfing GW only serves to rewards players who only built one or two teams for Arena. Those players are already being rewarded - by obtaining better Arena payouts.

For those of us who have spread our resources across multiple teams, consistently defeating GW, doing well in Raids (albeit at a lower Tier), and participating in more Events is our reward.

Nerfing GW to placate or mollify players who have a one/two team strategy is not equitable.

This is my plea to the Developers to not nerf GW. Galactic Wars should be hard. ****, make it more difficult.

Sincerely,

Rebel Bass

blah blah blah, nothing to see here except some wanna be elite trying to brag about being the best at everything.. its a GAME, if the nodes are exponentially hard its not fun.. ALL people are saying is that the GW has reverted to the way it was before, and it has.. so what you don't agree, well la di da.. YOU are only 1 person.. and GW should NOT be hard that's Arena you got them confused..

Stop whining about HOW things should be done, if people are complaining me included its for a GOOD reason, at least in this case. And your assumptions are wrong about Arena teams.. I have a top 20 team, some days I can BARELY squeak by GW node 11 / 12 and THEY are not even as hard as Arena, but the buff their stats in GW.. its CLEAR there is a problem here, so you want it to be hard lovely, go make your own game and you can be as hard as you like.
atlwitcher
10 years ago
"Pindasauskanon;515997" wrote:
If you want a difficult gw try and make it difficult for yourself (no hero can die, 4 man team, jedi vs dooku)

+1
badsmack
10 years ago
"pac0naut;516018" wrote:
Everyone was surprised with GW today.

See, and my reaction to GW last night was basically the opposite of everyone else's. I was thrilled with GW last night - it was finally a challenge again, unlike the BS it's been since CG/EA nerfed it.
Campera0269
10 years ago
Do you want a hard GW? Here: face this squad after loosing your A team and having a B team without protection (all g9~g10 lvl 80 toons, like Leia, Rey, AA, 5s and Phasma), since you faced 4 other lvl 80 g8~10 squads before.

http://imgur.com/WXFl7Xy