Han shoots first bug

The devil is in the details. It absolutely does matter.

"TVF;c-2169771" wrote:

"Gifafi;c-2169770" wrote:
for like the 10th time already, han shoots first except in very few, very specific instances against computer teams in pve. it's irrelevant, ignore it. If you need han to shoot first in the last phase of smuggler's run my advice is to git gud and stop worrying about minutia that don't matter

But principles!

You really don't find it odd that they won't just add a bit of code so that Hans bonus turn at the start gets priority. That does not seem like some super complicated thing to fix.

"Kyno;c-2169735" wrote:

"Ltswb1;c-2169725" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2169708" wrote:

"yankeeh8er;c-2169701" wrote:
Yeah it is beyond stupid. Every time krennic goes first it drives me insane. They need to change the wording of Han's ability to be: "Han sometimes goes first".

ability titles have nothing to do with the description. which is still accurate.

Except that they specifically mentioned this situation in the post releasing the new TM system, and said that Han should always go first. This is a bug, pure and simple. Sure it’s not a huge one in the grand scheme of things, but it is a bug. Otherwise, in the old system, it would have been a 50/50 coin flip and Krennik still would have gone sometimes. But he never did.

If you feel this is a bug than you should be reporting it as such on <>.


If you are referring to the line below, then you should realize that this is in specific reference to Han and Wat.


I agree that he should shoot first, according to the mechanics listed, but I also recognize that issues of this nature should be treated as a low priority, as they have a very minor effect across the board.

I believe it’s been posted as a bug already. I will look and see. You are ignoring the last part of my statement. Which I’ve seen you do several times from other posters.

If it’s not a bug, then how come Krennik never went first in the old system? If they both got bonus turns, and there was no mechanic saying that Han should ALWAYS go first, then Krennik would have won 50/50 coin flips at least half the time. He NEVER did before. Which means there WAS a mechanic saying that Han always goes first. Which is now missing. For some reason you keep ignoring this reasoning and claiming that it’s WAI

"yankeeh8er;c-2169789" wrote:

"TVF;c-2169771" wrote:

"Gifafi;c-2169770" wrote:
for like the 10th time already, han shoots first except in very few, very specific instances against computer teams in pve. it's irrelevant, ignore it. If you need han to shoot first in the last phase of smuggler's run my advice is to git gud and stop worrying about minutia that don't matter

But principles!

You really don't find it odd that they won't just add a bit of code so that Hans bonus turn at the start gets priority. That does not seem like some super complicated thing to fix.

its funny but everything you just said it wrong.

a little background for you, how they take their turn first is actually based on the NPC side, not Hans side.

and as they have discussed to some extent, the older events are more hand crafted and each one is unique, so yes its actually quite involved to go in and change that aspect of the event.

To add to that, I don't care if it's odd or not. It affects me not in the slightest.

"Ltswb1;c-2169794" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2169735" wrote:

"Ltswb1;c-2169725" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2169708" wrote:

"yankeeh8er;c-2169701" wrote:
Yeah it is beyond stupid. Every time krennic goes first it drives me insane. They need to change the wording of Han's ability to be: "Han sometimes goes first".

ability titles have nothing to do with the description. which is still accurate.

Except that they specifically mentioned this situation in the post releasing the new TM system, and said that Han should always go first. This is a bug, pure and simple. Sure it’s not a huge one in the grand scheme of things, but it is a bug. Otherwise, in the old system, it would have been a 50/50 coin flip and Krennik still would have gone sometimes. But he never did.

If you feel this is a bug than you should be reporting it as such on <>.


If you are referring to the line below, then you should realize that this is in specific reference to Han and Wat.


I agree that he should shoot first, according to the mechanics listed, but I also recognize that issues of this nature should be treated as a low priority, as they have a very minor effect across the board.

I believe it’s been posted as a bug already. I will look and see. You are ignoring the last part of my statement. Which I’ve seen you do several times from other posters.

If it’s not a bug, then how come Krennik never went first in the old system? If they both got bonus turns, and there was no mechanic saying that Han should ALWAYS go first, then Krennik would have won 50/50 coin flips at least half the time. He NEVER did before. Which means there WAS a mechanic saying that Han always goes first. Which is now missing. For some reason you keep ignoring this reasoning and claiming that it’s WAI

the interaction of Krennik is how they way the system is coded in that event and how Han is coded and how they interact in the new system.

he never did this before because there was no overshoot system in place. nothing is missing, it was the thing that is added doing exactly what it is now told to do. NO there was not a mechanic to tell Han to go first, there was just no mechanic to look at the TM situation of Krennik and tell him to go before Han.

So if it is not a bug, it is a nerf. Han doesnt shoot first anymore

"Kyno;c-2169807" wrote:

"Ltswb1;c-2169794" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2169735" wrote:

"Ltswb1;c-2169725" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2169708" wrote:

"yankeeh8er;c-2169701" wrote:
Yeah it is beyond stupid. Every time krennic goes first it drives me insane. They need to change the wording of Han's ability to be: "Han sometimes goes first".

ability titles have nothing to do with the description. which is still accurate.

Except that they specifically mentioned this situation in the post releasing the new TM system, and said that Han should always go first. This is a bug, pure and simple. Sure it’s not a huge one in the grand scheme of things, but it is a bug. Otherwise, in the old system, it would have been a 50/50 coin flip and Krennik still would have gone sometimes. But he never did.

If you feel this is a bug than you should be reporting it as such on <>.


If you are referring to the line below, then you should realize that this is in specific reference to Han and Wat.


I agree that he should shoot first, according to the mechanics listed, but I also recognize that issues of this nature should be treated as a low priority, as they have a very minor effect across the board.

I believe it’s been posted as a bug already. I will look and see. You are ignoring the last part of my statement. Which I’ve seen you do several times from other posters.

If it’s not a bug, then how come Krennik never went first in the old system? If they both got bonus turns, and there was no mechanic saying that Han should ALWAYS go first, then Krennik would have won 50/50 coin flips at least half the time. He NEVER did before. Which means there WAS a mechanic saying that Han always goes first. Which is now missing. For some reason you keep ignoring this reasoning and claiming that it’s WAI

the interaction of Krennik is how they way the system is coded in that event and how Han is coded and how they interact in the new system.

he never did this before because there was no overshoot system in place. nothing is missing, it was the thing that is added doing exactly what it is now told to do. NO there was not a mechanic to tell Han to go first, there was just no mechanic to look at the TM situation of Krennik and tell him to go before Han.

Nothing you just said makes any sense. Nor does it jibe with what you have said on this topic before. You have stated before that the reason Krennik now goes first is because he has always gotten a bonus turn and the new system now gives him more priority because he has more TM than Han.

You are now saying that there was nothing to compare Krennik and Han before. So did Krennik get a bonus turn or not? Because if he had a bonus turn before (your words), then yes there was a system to compare who should go first.

"TVF;c-2169805" wrote:
To add to that, I don't care if it's odd or not. It affects me not in the slightest.

Then why do you keep posting on it? If you don’t care, and it doesn’t affect you, then leave the conversation to people who do. And stop interjecting your lack of opinion.

"Kyno;c-2169801" wrote:

"yankeeh8er;c-2169789" wrote:

"TVF;c-2169771" wrote:

"Gifafi;c-2169770" wrote:
for like the 10th time already, han shoots first except in very few, very specific instances against computer teams in pve. it's irrelevant, ignore it. If you need han to shoot first in the last phase of smuggler's run my advice is to git gud and stop worrying about minutia that don't matter

But principles!

You really don't find it odd that they won't just add a bit of code so that Hans bonus turn at the start gets priority. That does not seem like some super complicated thing to fix.

its funny but everything you just said it wrong.

a little background for you, how they take their turn first is actually based on the NPC side, not Hans side.

and as they have discussed to some extent, the older events are more hand crafted and each one is unique, so yes its actually quite involved to go in and change that aspect of the event.

I am so confused now. There is a character in this game called Han Solo, he has an ability called shoots first, yes? I don't care how turn order is actually decided in the game I was just thinking of one possible solution to this problem. To me as an outsider who does not work at cg and has no idea what the code for this game looks like, I would think it would be possible to add something to Han that says if # of turns taken = 0 then Han takes next turn. Nothing to do with giving Han 100% turn meter because then you get into the overfill craziness. Just let Han have a turn and then everything else proceeds as normal. It's a minor thing and I know it won't ever be important enough to fix.