This guy on my server recently started using this Vader zeta team, and I just can't seem to be able to beat him using my empire team (EP Lead, Vader, TFP, Shore, RG (planning on switching to B2)). My team is all gear 10 except for TFP who is gear 11 and Vader who is gear 9. The enemy team is:Vader (Zeta L) - 194 speed (27 speed on mine, I don't have a ton of good mods)EP - 220 speed (9 speed faster than mine)Boba - 217 speed Baze - 174 speed Shore - 128 speed The above characters are all Gear 11 and 7 stars.Battles against this team usually go like this: My TFP goes first but is stuck on the auto taunters, then enemy EP does his AoE stun followed by Boba AoE ability block. This almost always leaves my entire team either stunned or ability blocked, so I don't really get a first turn. Vader then does his AoE, and leaves tons of DoTs that never go away thanks to his zeta. On the enemies next turn, my TFP and EP get executed or culling bladed by Boba and Vader, and it is pretty much game over from there.To counter this team, I am thinking about gearing up my Rex to gear 10 (he is gear 7 now, but I can get him up) and transferring all my best mods from EP to Rex to try and get him faster than the enemy EP and Boba, so I can get Tenacity up, which will block all the debuffs from EP, Boba and Vader, but will be dispelled when their baze takes a turn. I was also considering gearing up my B2 and using his AoE to take Shore and Baze's taunts away quickly, so that my other characters can focus the important toons.Would this strategy work?If yes, what would be the best teams with these toons in to run against this team and a wiggs heavy shard? (about every 3 in 4 players in my top 20 use wiggs)If no, how should I beat this team instead? (also needs to be able to beat wiggs teams) My roster: https://swgoh.gg/u/kyl0ren/

I haven't reach that level but for me, you should develop a fast Rex for his cleanse. You already have it. He should go before your EP and can also go after the opponent's Vader to remove DoTs. I think the Dots are only renewed if not cleaned. Your idea to also use B2 is nice to block the taunters. So, your Rex can clean your Dots and ability block and you can use EP's special. Maybe something like :* EP (L)* TFP* ShT* Rex* B2 or Boba

"Tigzie;839404" wrote:"BulYwif;839399" wrote:I haven't reach that level but for me, you should develop a fast Rex for his cleanse. You already have it. He should go before your EP and can also go after the opponent's Vader to remove DoTs. I think the Dots are only renewed if not cleaned. Your idea to also use B2 is nice to block the taunters. So, your Rex can clean your Dots and ability block and you can use EP's special. Maybe something like :* EP (L)* TFP* ShT* Rex* B2 or BobaRex cleanse won't get rid of dots the entire point of his Zeta is to make them perm.Yeah, but if you put tenacity up on your team before Vader takes a turn, the DoTs will not land in the first place

"Tigzie;839404" wrote:"BulYwif;839399" wrote:I haven't reach that level but for me, you should develop a fast Rex for his cleanse. You already have it. He should go before your EP and can also go after the opponent's Vader to remove DoTs. I think the Dots are only renewed if not cleaned. Your idea to also use B2 is nice to block the taunters. So, your Rex can clean your Dots and ability block and you can use EP's special. Maybe something like :* EP (L)* TFP* ShT* Rex* B2 or BobaRex cleanse won't get rid of dots the entire point of his Zeta is to make them perm.This is what I was wondering. In the description of his ability, it's written "whenever DOT expire". But it can be understood as expire naturally, but in case of cleanse, it should be different. Does somebody know for sure if it is really permanent ? Also, DOT remains until Darth Vader's death, so he should be shot first.

if you want to use your actual team in the future you need more tenacity or more speed, that means the right mods or you change your strategy and use other toons that will bring abilities with tenacity up, but they have to be fast, which also means mods....in the end gearing end leveling is fine but with the wrong mods you are lost on the highest level

"Tigzie;839418" wrote:"BulYwif;839414" wrote:"Tigzie;839404" wrote:"BulYwif;839399" wrote:I haven't reach that level but for me, you should develop a fast Rex for his cleanse. You already have it. He should go before your EP and can also go after the opponent's Vader to remove DoTs. I think the Dots are only renewed if not cleaned. Your idea to also use B2 is nice to block the taunters. So, your Rex can clean your Dots and ability block and you can use EP's special. Maybe something like :* EP (L)* TFP* ShT* Rex* B2 or BobaRex cleanse won't get rid of dots the entire point of his Zeta is to make them perm.This is what I was wondering. In the description of his ability, it's written "whenever DOT expire". But it can be understood as expire naturally, but in case of cleanse, it should be different. Does somebody know for sure if it is really permanent ? Also, DOT remains until Darth Vader's death, so he should be shot first.I've got him myself it's perm lol :) OK :smile: Thanks for clarification.

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boulywif
8 years ago
I haven't reach that level but for me, you should develop a fast Rex for his cleanse. You already have it. He should go before your EP and can also go after the opponent's Vader to remove DoTs. I think the Dots are only renewed if not cleaned. Your idea to also use B2 is nice to block the taunters.

So, your Rex can clean your Dots and ability block and you can use EP's special. Maybe something like :
* EP (L)
* TFP
* ShT
* Rex
* B2 or Boba
Tamat1NZ
8 years ago
"Tigzie;839404" wrote:
"BulYwif;839399" wrote:
I haven't reach that level but for me, you should develop a fast Rex for his cleanse. You already have it. He should go before your EP and can also go after the opponent's Vader to remove DoTs. I think the Dots are only renewed if not cleaned. Your idea to also use B2 is nice to block the taunters.

So, your Rex can clean your Dots and ability block and you can use EP's special. Maybe something like :
* EP (L)
* TFP
* ShT
* Rex
* B2 or Boba

Rex cleanse won't get rid of dots the entire point of his Zeta is to make them perm.

Yeah, but if you put tenacity up on your team before Vader takes a turn, the DoTs will not land in the first place
boulywif
8 years ago
"Tigzie;839404" wrote:
"BulYwif;839399" wrote:
I haven't reach that level but for me, you should develop a fast Rex for his cleanse. You already have it. He should go before your EP and can also go after the opponent's Vader to remove DoTs. I think the Dots are only renewed if not cleaned. Your idea to also use B2 is nice to block the taunters.

So, your Rex can clean your Dots and ability block and you can use EP's special. Maybe something like :
* EP (L)
* TFP
* ShT
* Rex
* B2 or Boba

Rex cleanse won't get rid of dots the entire point of his Zeta is to make them perm.

This is what I was wondering. In the description of his ability, it's written "whenever DOT expire". But it can be understood as expire naturally, but in case of cleanse, it should be different. Does somebody know for sure if it is really permanent ? Also, DOT remains until Darth Vader's death, so he should be shot first.
NarkoThrawn
8 years ago
if you want to use your actual team in the future you need more tenacity or more speed, that means the right mods or you change your strategy and use other toons that will bring abilities with tenacity up, but they have to be fast, which also means mods....in the end gearing end leveling is fine but with the wrong mods you are lost on the highest level
boulywif
8 years ago
"Tigzie;839418" wrote:
"BulYwif;839414" wrote:
"Tigzie;839404" wrote:
"BulYwif;839399" wrote:
I haven't reach that level but for me, you should develop a fast Rex for his cleanse. You already have it. He should go before your EP and can also go after the opponent's Vader to remove DoTs. I think the Dots are only renewed if not cleaned. Your idea to also use B2 is nice to block the taunters.

So, your Rex can clean your Dots and ability block and you can use EP's special. Maybe something like :
* EP (L)
* TFP
* ShT
* Rex
* B2 or Boba

Rex cleanse won't get rid of dots the entire point of his Zeta is to make them perm.

This is what I was wondering. In the description of his ability, it's written "whenever DOT expire". But it can be understood as expire naturally, but in case of cleanse, it should be different. Does somebody know for sure if it is really permanent ? Also, DOT remains until Darth Vader's death, so he should be shot first.

I've got him myself it's perm lol :)

OK :smile: Thanks for clarification.
Tamat1NZ
8 years ago
"Tigzie;839411" wrote:
"Ky10Ren;839407" wrote:
"Tigzie;839404" wrote:
"BulYwif;839399" wrote:
I haven't reach that level but for me, you should develop a fast Rex for his cleanse. You already have it. He should go before your EP and can also go after the opponent's Vader to remove DoTs. I think the Dots are only renewed if not cleaned. Your idea to also use B2 is nice to block the taunters.

So, your Rex can clean your Dots and ability block and you can use EP's special. Maybe something like :
* EP (L)
* TFP
* ShT
* Rex
* B2 or Boba

Rex cleanse won't get rid of dots the entire point of his Zeta is to make them perm.

Yeah, but if you put tenacity up on your team before Vader takes a turn, the DoTs will not land in the first place

Very true, but don't expect to be able to wipe off any dots that you get.

Your idea is good but it depends on the order of attacks to how effective it will be, if you can pop tenacity and keep it on you for as long as possible it will allow you to work for a bit longer with no worries about stun/dot/ability block

According to my math, if I Gear up my Rex to get him to his max base speed of 140 and put EPs mods on him, I will reach a speed of 229 on Rex, which is 9 faster than my opponents EP
anonidude
Seasoned Newcomer
8 years ago
Ventress for a speedy dispel of his sht before your tfp goes. Her unique got quite a remarkable upgrade
ImperatorSedris
8 years ago
"anonidude;839431" wrote:
Ventress for a speedy dispel of his sht before your tfp goes. Her unique got quite a remarkable upgrade

Yeah, but you need to mod her very speedy. Rampage only gets her +45 Speed against this special Squad because two enemy toons start the battle with buffs.

+30 Speed from arrow mod primary and even the +28 speed if you put her in the lead maybe not enough to make her faster than an moderate moddet Tie Pilot.
Tamat1NZ
8 years ago
"anonidude;839431" wrote:
Ventress for a speedy dispel of his sht before your tfp goes. Her unique got quite a remarkable upgrade

Since the enemy has Baze and Shore, she will only gain 45 speed at the start of the match and my TFP has 236 speed, it means she will have to have a speed of 192 to go before my TFP (236 - 45). My EP has a speed gain of 89 speed which means that I will either have to strip all of his mods for ventress, or make my TFP slower (which I can't really afford to do due to the fact I sit on a wiggs heavy shard). And even if I was to do that, I don't even have her unlocked yet. I just don't see much reason to use her over Rex and b2.
Maltyrael
8 years ago
"GA_Phoenix;839443" wrote:
"anonidude;839431" wrote:
Ventress for a speedy dispel of his sht before your tfp goes. Her unique got quite a remarkable upgrade

Yeah, but you need to mod her very speedy. Rampage only gets her +45 Speed against this special Squad because two enemy toons start the battle with buffs.

+30 Speed from arrow mod primary and even the +28 speed if you put her in the lead maybe not enough to make her faster than an moderate moddet Tie Pilot.

Asajj base speed 104+45+28=177
Thats higher than Tie fighter base speed (170)