Not much of an argument needs to made that tenacity down should inflict the opposite effect of tenacity up, that just makes sense and inflicting tenacity down should make negative effects irresistible.The issue here isn't that the devs disagree, it's that it would be a difficult mechanic to adjust. On a 6 month old Reddit thread CapitalMethod stated the following in regards to the same request, specifically about Dengar:"the 15% minimum Resist chance is hard-coded and works independently of the Tenacity stat, so changing that would be a significantly larger and more far-reaching change than we were willing to bite off with Dengar, but there's no reason we wouldn't consider changing it in the future if it became important."Understandable. However, we are 6 months further into the game now and they have added 3 additional characters that can inflict tenacity down: Jawa Scavenger, Krennic, and Tie Fighter Pilot, the latter being an incredibly prevalent character in arena right now. Not that I have Krennic past what we were gifted, but if I shelled out the money to get him I would absolutely expect that tenacity down gets the same love its counterpart does. It's time to take on that difficult task.

Agreed if tenacity up essentially resists all negative effects tenacity down should be 100% application of debuffs provided they done dodge the attack

"sloths19;96386" wrote:Not much of an argument needs to made that tenacity down should inflict the opposite effect of tenacity up, that just makes sense and inflicting tenacity down should make negative effects irresistible.The issue here isn't that the devs disagree, it's that it would be a difficult mechanic to adjust. On a 6 month old Reddit thread CapitalMethod stated the following in regards to the same request, specifically about Dengar:"the 15% minimum Resist chance is hard-coded and works independently of the Tenacity stat, so changing that would be a significantly larger and more far-reaching change than we were willing to bite off with Dengar, but there's no reason we wouldn't consider changing it in the future if it became important."Understandable. However, we are 6 months further into the game now and they have added 3 additional characters that can inflict tenacity down: Jawa Scavenger, Krennic, and Tie Fighter Pilot, the latter being an incredibly prevalent character in arena right now. Not that I have Krennic past what we were gifted, but if I shelled out the money to get him I would absolutely expect that tenacity down gets the same love its counterpart does. It's time to take on that difficult task.Teebo has been in the game since launch..... Just now getting a fix at what has been 1 year and 3 months since launch? Don't hold you breath.

I remember when it read like that's what it did.

@scuba You are correct, and I was someone who futilely advocated for fixing Teebo the whole time. However, right around when they made stealth arena-relevant with Zaul and the new Sith Assassin (who also suffered the Teebo bug) they fixed the stealth mechanic.If Dengar were still the only tenacity down applier, then I would whole-heartedly agree with you that my attempts are in vain. However when they stuck tenacity down on a paywall character like Krennic, then that makes it a lot more likely that the fix will be worth the time for them.

"sloths19;935772" wrote:scuba You are correct, and I was someone who futilely advocated for fixing Teebo the whole time. However, right around when they made stealth arena-relevant with Zaul and the new Sith Assassin (who also suffered the Teebo bug) they fixed the stealth mechanic.If Dengar were still the only tenacity down applier, then I would whole-heartedly agree with you that my attempts are in vain. However when they stuck tenacity down on a paywall character like Krennic, then that makes it a lot more likely that the fix will be worth the time for them.Don't get me wrong I am all for it....just well hope for the best expect the worst.

It's time for Tenacity Down to eliminate the minimum resist chance

subzeeeDon
8 years ago
Agreed if tenacity up essentially resists all negative effects tenacity down should be 100% application of debuffs provided they done dodge the attack
scuba75
Rising Rookie
8 years ago
"sloths19;96386" wrote:
Not much of an argument needs to made that tenacity down should inflict the opposite effect of tenacity up, that just makes sense and inflicting tenacity down should make negative effects irresistible.
The issue here isn't that the devs disagree, it's that it would be a difficult mechanic to adjust. On a 6 month old Reddit thread CapitalMethod stated the following in regards to the same request, specifically about Dengar:
"the 15% minimum Resist chance is hard-coded and works independently of the Tenacity stat, so changing that would be a significantly larger and more far-reaching change than we were willing to bite off with Dengar, but there's no reason we wouldn't consider changing it in the future if it became important."

Understandable. However, we are 6 months further into the game now and they have added 3 additional characters that can inflict tenacity down: Jawa Scavenger, Krennic, and Tie Fighter Pilot, the latter being an incredibly prevalent character in arena right now. Not that I have Krennic past what we were gifted, but if I shelled out the money to get him I would absolutely expect that tenacity down gets the same love its counterpart does. It's time to take on that difficult task.

Teebo has been in the game since launch..... Just now getting a fix at what has been 1 year and 3 months since launch?

Don't hold you breath.
AlsendDrake
8 years ago
I remember when it read like that's what it did.
Slothnado19
8 years ago
@scuba You are correct, and I was someone who futilely advocated for fixing Teebo the whole time. However, right around when they made stealth arena-relevant with Zaul and the new Sith Assassin (who also suffered the Teebo bug) they fixed the stealth mechanic.

If Dengar were still the only tenacity down applier, then I would whole-heartedly agree with you that my attempts are in vain. However when they stuck tenacity down on a paywall character like Krennic, then that makes it a lot more likely that the fix will be worth the time for them.
scuba75
Rising Rookie
8 years ago
"sloths19;935772" wrote:
scuba You are correct, and I was someone who futilely advocated for fixing Teebo the whole time. However, right around when they made stealth arena-relevant with Zaul and the new Sith Assassin (who also suffered the Teebo bug) they fixed the stealth mechanic.

If Dengar were still the only tenacity down applier, then I would whole-heartedly agree with you that my attempts are in vain. However when they stuck tenacity down on a paywall character like Krennic, then that makes it a lot more likely that the fix will be worth the time for them.

Don't get me wrong I am all for it....just well hope for the best expect the worst.
anonidude
Rising Newcomer
8 years ago
Actually i would prefer to see the other way where tenacity up has a ceiling where there is always a 15% chance to debuff.

Oh and tenacity vs potency equalised so equal amounts result in a 50-50 outcome.

And i say that as a jedi user ;)
subzeeeDon
8 years ago
"anonidude;935845" wrote:
Actually i would prefer to see the other way where tenacity up has a ceiling where there is always a 15% chance to debuff.

Oh and tenacity vs potency equalised so equal amounts result in a 50-50 outcome.

And i say that as a jedi user ;)

Personally o wouldn't mind either way. But there needs to be some form of consistency with the effects.
ehren37
8 years ago
"anonidude;935845" wrote:

Oh and tenacity vs potency equalised so equal amounts result in a 50-50 outcome.

50% chance for debuffs not to land would make any such characters garbage. You don't have a 50% miss chance do you?
anonidude
Rising Newcomer
8 years ago
"Bossk_Hogg;935909" wrote:
"anonidude;935845" wrote:

Oh and tenacity vs potency equalised so equal amounts result in a 50-50 outcome.

50% chance for debuffs not to land would make any such characters garbage. You don't have a 50% miss chance do you?

Would it....would it really? I think it would be much more equitable. Casting shouldnt always work with pot = ten.

If you want your debuffs to land more then you would need to invest in potency rather than ramping up crit chance or damage or some other stat. And this would seem to be a more intellectually honest way of going about it. There has to be a trade-off for those types of characters. Currently the tradeoff is minimised because potency is way overpowered in comparison to tenacity.
Slothnado19
8 years ago
"Aero;935832" wrote:
This is likely more complicated than you think and would require a lot more man hours than you would think, and saying that it is time means there is nothing more beneficial these man hours could be spent on.

If you read my initial post at all you would see that a developer stated 6 months ago that yes, it is a more difficult mechanics task, but they are open to doing it. Now that they have added more characters that apply tenacity down, especially putting one behind a paywall, I would think this is a good time to do it. They took on the ever daunting stealth issue once they introduced a pay-for sith assassin, why not this?