Kenobi - S1E2 (Spoilers)

"AlexanderG;c-2363376" wrote:

"Ultra;c-2363375" wrote:

"AlexanderG;c-2363362" wrote:
Slightly picky observation. Understandable that Kenobi is bereft after Anakin's fall but if he's on Tatoine to protect Luke then why has he let his combat skills wane? Surely that undermines his ability to offer protection.

Like I said, a bit picky.

what would he use to practice his combat skills? He buried the lightsabers

Even if he hadn’t, it’s not like he can use it or has anywhere to use them

another thing, He also wasn’t planning on fighting again so i guess there was no point in keeping up training

So what protection could he offer?

Jedi (and other Force Users… hello there Maul) are plenty dangerous without a lightsaber. Especially when guarding against things that aren’t Inquisitors, like Tusken Raiders or weak-minded Stormtroopers.

Also I think Kenobi was thinking more about training than protection.

2. Grand Inquistor is seemingly killed by 3rd sister...

My god, you're right! A lightsaber wound is inevitably fatal, especially a straight poke through-and-through. Obviously this is more fatal than, say, having your legs cut off and your entire body catching on fire or being sliced in half from side-to-side, right through the belly button. In those circumstances you had, y'know, medical help an hour away in the case of Vader, and no help, but at least when Maul's kidneys were slashed they were cauterized at the same time.

Definitely, definitely a fatal wound there. No possible way that the Empire would have the medical resources to save a lowly peon like ... :checks notes: ... a Jedi-hunter-in-chief who reports directly to Lord Vader.

"ShaggyB;c-2363317" wrote:
So the show isnt over yet... but currently we have two plot holes.

1. Leah meets ben, knows hes a jedi whos friends with her dad... and then sends him a message on an r2 unit where she talks about he and her father worked together in the clone wars... never mentioned that time the guy also saved her life with floating powers and broke her out of the cell the nappers put her in.

2. Grand Inquistor is seemingly killed by 3rd sister... but Kannon kills him later in season 1 of Rebels.

1 Isn't a plot hole at all ... Leia was rescued by a guy named Ben (I don't think he mentioned his last name was Kenobi) who was sent by her father. In ANH Leia sent a message to Obi Wan Kenobi who worked with her father during the clone wars.

Unless something else is revealed in the next 4 episodes. How would she know Ben and Obi Wan are the same person? Would she know they are both Jedi, yes ... But beyond that she would have no idea that they could be the same person.

"AlexanderG;c-2363362" wrote:
Slightly picky observation. Understandable that Kenobi is bereft after Anakin's fall but if he's on Tatoine to protect Luke then why has he let his combat skills wane? Surely that undermines his ability to offer protection.

Like I said, a bit picky.

Doing your job properly isn’t your top priority when you’re depressed. Protecting Luke is an excuse to bury himself in the desert. His struggle with depression is his hero’s journey imo.

"Ultra;c-2363278" wrote:

"TargetEadu;c-2363277" wrote:
One thing I’m wondering is Reva said she found a connection between Leia’s father and Kenobi… do you think she means Bail or Anakin?

Bail Organa, she even pointed out they worked together closely during the clone wars

"AlexanderG;c-2363401" wrote:

"TargetEadu;c-2363399" wrote:

"AlexanderG;c-2363376" wrote:

"Ultra;c-2363375" wrote:

"AlexanderG;c-2363362" wrote:
Slightly picky observation. Understandable that Kenobi is bereft after Anakin's fall but if he's on Tatoine to protect Luke then why has he let his combat skills wane? Surely that undermines his ability to offer protection.

Like I said, a bit picky.

what would he use to practice his combat skills? He buried the lightsabers

Even if he hadn’t, it’s not like he can use it or has anywhere to use them

another thing, He also wasn’t planning on fighting again so i guess there was no point in keeping up training

So what protection could he offer?

Jedi (and other Force Users… hello there Maul) are plenty dangerous without a lightsaber. Especially when guarding against things that aren’t Inquisitors, like Tusken Raiders or weak-minded Stormtroopers.

Also I think Kenobi was thinking more about training than protection.

Sure. But given that Kenobi himself seemed to have disengaged with the force (,Leia's fall was scripted I assume to show that Obi Wan hadn't used at least some force abilities for a long while) makes me wonder how he could train. Which goes back to my question as to why he'd let his powers slip rather than remain in a state of readines. Yoda by comparison was still pretty nifty with force powers by the time Luke goes to Dagobah, years later.

Kenobi still lived around people, people who clearly had an incentive to watch for someone practicing levitating rocks around. Yoda was alone.

"JainaSolo;c-2363506" wrote:

"Stenun;c-2363490" wrote:

"Trixenlord;c-2363134" wrote:

Black inqui - blm/feminist, the only one in the show that is 'smart' (has a plan)

... ?

So you have a problem with smart people of colour? Or smart women?
Or is it just the combination of the two that you dislike?

I think what he’s trying to say is that she’s the only intelligent person in the show. I can see why someone would think that, and I think the other inquisitors, especially the Grand Inquisitor, should have been more intelligent and used a strategy, since they are supposed to be elite Jedi hunters. I don’t think she’s the only intelligent person in the show though, Kenobi is intelligent, and Leia. So maybe I’m wrong, but that’s what it seemed to me like they were saying. If I’m right, then yes, they could have phrased their argument better, but it doesn’t seem to me like they’re hating on black people or women who are smart, it seems like their problem is when those people are portrayed as the only smart people in the show.

And if that character had been a white male and still been seen as the "only smart character on the show", would they be making an issue out of their gneder or ethnicity?
That's the problem.
If they think she is the only smart character on the show, that's a possible legitimate complaint (although, like you, I don't agree). But they made it about the character's gender and ethnicity. They drew attention to her being a black woman as the reason for her being "the only smart character on the show".

"JainaSolo;c-2363506" wrote:

"Stenun;c-2363490" wrote:

"Trixenlord;c-2363134" wrote:

Black inqui - blm/feminist, the only one in the show that is 'smart' (has a plan)

... ?

So you have a problem with smart people of colour? Or smart women?
Or is it just the combination of the two that you dislike?

I think what he’s trying to say is that she’s the only intelligent person in the show. I can see why someone would think that, and I think the other inquisitors, especially the Grand Inquisitor, should have been more intelligent and used a strategy, since they are supposed to be elite Jedi hunters. I don’t think she’s the only intelligent person in the show though, Kenobi is intelligent, and Leia. So maybe I’m wrong, but that’s what it seemed to me like they were saying. If I’m right, then yes, they could have phrased their argument better, but it doesn’t seem to me like they’re hating on black people or women who are smart, it seems like their problem is when those people are portrayed as the only smart people in the show.

I didn't see anything dumb about the GI or the other inquisitors either. They are just not as fixated on Kenobi as Reva is.

I found it interesting that the 5th Brother was such a pacifist

Part of me’s wondering if 5th starts to mimic Reva a bit more. In Rebels he was always a bit more reckless than 7th (although not to the degree of, say, Savage), and Reva’s strategy is working.

Although that might be because they can have a targeted trap, whether for Kenobi or Kanan/Ezra as opposed to any Jedi.

"BigPoppaBangs;c-2363416" wrote:

"ShaggyB;c-2363317" wrote:
So the show isnt over yet... but currently we have two plot holes.

1. Leah meets ben, knows hes a jedi whos friends with her dad... and then sends him a message on an r2 unit where she talks about he and her father worked together in the clone wars... never mentioned that time the guy also saved her life with floating powers and broke her out of the cell the nappers put her in.

2. Grand Inquistor is seemingly killed by 3rd sister... but Kannon kills him later in season 1 of Rebels.

1 Isn't a plot hole at all ... Leia was rescued by a guy named Ben (I don't think he mentioned his last name was Kenobi) who was sent by her father. In ANH Leia sent a message to Obi Wan Kenobi who worked with her father during the clone wars.

Unless something else is revealed in the next 4 episodes. How would she know Ben and Obi Wan are the same person? Would she know they are both Jedi, yes ... But beyond that she would have no idea that they could be the same person.

Thats simple. Leia knows Ben and Obi Wan are the same person because 3rd sister calls him obi wan in front of her.

So im supposed to believe that Leia is very advanced for her age, but cant put together that the jedi named "ben" whom is friends witb her father and was sent by him to save her, is being chased by the inquisitors... and the one that almost catches them clearly calls him Obi Wan infront of her and shes not smart enough to figure out they are one and the same?