Kyber result

"Waqui;c-2144519" wrote:

"littleMAC77;c-2144499" wrote:

"Waqui;c-2144494" wrote:

"Lysandrax;c-2144445" wrote:

"Waqui;c-2144313" wrote:

"Lysandrax;c-2144183" wrote:

"Rath_Tarr;c-2144181" wrote:

"Fhoenix;c-2144177" wrote:

:D two no shows and a half attempt... yep ... totally better at GAC @Rath_Tarr

Yep, better at GAC. All you have shown there is opponents' choices.

We don't control opponent selection or activity but we do control our roster, strategy and tactics and he has done so well enough to win all 12 matches with full clears and probably all feats, judging by his score.

If you're getting 1956 in GAC it is because of your opponent. They have set awful teams.

Check that GAC history again. You're not reading it right. They actually set normal defense for their GP range. I see both DR + Malak, JKR lead jedi, NS, Geos, Padme + GR, Shaak Ti + clones, GG + sep droids, Nute teams etc. They are not setting weak teams for their GP range. Yet Bus 74 still undersized most battles.

When you score 1950+ repearedly it's because you carefully theory crafted how to beat the defenses you're up against with undersized squads, built those squads and single characters just strong enough to do their job, modded them well to serve their purpose and saved them for offense. Bus 74 excels in this.

In bold undermines everything you have said and is what is actually being discussed.
Not only does it undermine what you've said here but in every single one of these threads where you try to say match-making is fine when it obviously needs some touch ups.

This Bus74 guy seems to know what hes doing, yes in the battles but foremostly in the match-making.

Now once more, if you're getting 1956 in GAC it is because your opponent has set an awful defence.

Check that GAC history again. You're not reading it right. They are not setting weak nor awful defenses for their GP range.

When you score 1950+ repearedly it's because you carefully theory crafted how to beat the defenses you're up against with undersized squads, built those squads and single characters just strong enough to do their job, modded them well to serve their purpose and saved them for offense. Bus 74 excels in this.

While I do not at all want to discredit what Bus 74 has done, and mostly agree with you that consistent high scores requires lots of crafting and practice in undersizing, it is equally wrong to dismiss the idea that the scores are inflated by weak defenses. Perfect evidence is the screenshot he shared; all sub g12 sep droids and phoenix are comically bad defenses for division 1. They would be comically bad for division 2 even.

Read my comment again. I'm not dismissing that he's up against weaker defenses than Lysandrax and I. I'm simply pointing out that his opponents don't set weak defenses relative to their GP range (or roster strength).

That screenshot is just one example. In another round he faced relic sep. droids, g12 geos, G12 OR (and weaker teams) and still he scored 1954. Yes, it's a weaker defense than Lysandrax and I face, but Bus 74 is also using his roster better than both of us.

But it is a weaker defense for his GP. He has more GP than me and I jump for joy when seeing full g11 or below defensive teams. They aren't that common in Division 2 even. If g12 OR is the 3rd best team on defense, that is barely a defense at the 4m+ gp range.

"littleMAC77;c-2144523" wrote:

"Waqui;c-2144519" wrote:

"littleMAC77;c-2144499" wrote:

"Waqui;c-2144494" wrote:

"Lysandrax;c-2144445" wrote:

"Waqui;c-2144313" wrote:

"Lysandrax;c-2144183" wrote:

"Rath_Tarr;c-2144181" wrote:

"Fhoenix;c-2144177" wrote:

:D two no shows and a half attempt... yep ... totally better at GAC @Rath_Tarr

Yep, better at GAC. All you have shown there is opponents' choices.

We don't control opponent selection or activity but we do control our roster, strategy and tactics and he has done so well enough to win all 12 matches with full clears and probably all feats, judging by his score.

If you're getting 1956 in GAC it is because of your opponent. They have set awful teams.

Check that GAC history again. You're not reading it right. They actually set normal defense for their GP range. I see both DR + Malak, JKR lead jedi, NS, Geos, Padme + GR, Shaak Ti + clones, GG + sep droids, Nute teams etc. They are not setting weak teams for their GP range. Yet Bus 74 still undersized most battles.

When you score 1950+ repearedly it's because you carefully theory crafted how to beat the defenses you're up against with undersized squads, built those squads and single characters just strong enough to do their job, modded them well to serve their purpose and saved them for offense. Bus 74 excels in this.

In bold undermines everything you have said and is what is actually being discussed.
Not only does it undermine what you've said here but in every single one of these threads where you try to say match-making is fine when it obviously needs some touch ups.

This Bus74 guy seems to know what hes doing, yes in the battles but foremostly in the match-making.

Now once more, if you're getting 1956 in GAC it is because your opponent has set an awful defence.

Check that GAC history again. You're not reading it right. They are not setting weak nor awful defenses for their GP range.

When you score 1950+ repearedly it's because you carefully theory crafted how to beat the defenses you're up against with undersized squads, built those squads and single characters just strong enough to do their job, modded them well to serve their purpose and saved them for offense. Bus 74 excels in this.

While I do not at all want to discredit what Bus 74 has done, and mostly agree with you that consistent high scores requires lots of crafting and practice in undersizing, it is equally wrong to dismiss the idea that the scores are inflated by weak defenses. Perfect evidence is the screenshot he shared; all sub g12 sep droids and phoenix are comically bad defenses for division 1. They would be comically bad for division 2 even.

Read my comment again. I'm not dismissing that he's up against weaker defenses than Lysandrax and I. I'm simply pointing out that his opponents don't set weak defenses relative to their GP range (or roster strength).

That screenshot is just one example. In another round he faced relic sep. droids, g12 geos, G12 OR (and weaker teams) and still he scored 1954. Yes, it's a weaker defense than Lysandrax and I face, but Bus 74 is also using his roster better than both of us.

But it is a weaker defense for his GP. He has more GP than me and I jump for joy when seeing full g11 or below defensive teams. They aren't that common in Division 2 even. If g12 OR is the 3rd best team on defense, that is barely a defense at the 4m+ gp range.

I don't consider relic sep. droids weak, and personally I still see lots of non-relic geonosians and g11-g12 OR teams when playing GAC (both my div. 1 accounts). One account only just recently promoted to div. 1 and saw lots of g11 defensive teams back in div. 2. I guess we just see different defenses.

The sooner they change the entry criteria to the same as the matchmaking criteria the better. Not sure why they haven’t as they always seem to be spruiking that they don’t want to encourage people not to develop their rosters.... the current system rewards those who intentionally don’t develop their rosters.

"Waqui;c-2144508" wrote:

"Lysandrax;c-2144479" wrote:

"Bus074;c-2144471" wrote:
134-867-158 are the droids you’re looking for.

The No.1 kyber player in division 1 is playing these teams.

Fantastic game CG. Outdone yourselves again.

He's also still scoring 1954 when playing against Reliced separatist droids and G12 geonosians.
When he's facing g12 geos he's winning with a duo. According to your GAC history, you're using a team of 4 - some times losing 1 - when facing g12 geos.
When he faced relic sep. droids he used JKR losing less banners than you did when you use your Padmé team against relic droids.

Yes, he's playing weaker rosters than you but he's also building and playing his roster better than both of us (with regards to GAC).

Those weren't g12 geos, bud.
And stop comparing the r7 droids i fright with the one relic GG he faces, it doesnt work.

As for the last point, yes he's playing people weaker than i face, he's playing people weaker than his own roster due to how he has managed his roster in relation to how match-making works, no one is really debating his hard work there or how he is then continuing to use his advantage to get great scores.
The problem is that div 1 is the highest division in the game and most of the people in that division would walk on this guy. We need more divisions and we need some match-making tweaks. Even your roster has v low top 80 toon GP, i dont think you have a proper grasp of how these matches go or that in a more realistic div 1 match up, a 1950 score isnt possible because everything is relics everywhere

"Bus074;c-2144471" wrote:
134-867-158 are the droids you’re looking for.

Holy freaking purple Batman. I haven't seen anything like that since div5 lmao.

"Its_not_a_moon;c-2144565" wrote:

"MetaThumper;c-2144564" wrote:

"Bus074;c-2144471" wrote:
134-867-158 are the droids you’re looking for.

Holy freaking purple Batman. I haven't seen anything like that since div5 lmao.

Division 3 still has purple teams

Im sure. It's been so long

"Lysandrax;c-2144547" wrote:

The problem is that div 1 is the highest division in the game and most of the people in that division would walk on this guy. We need more divisions and we need some match-making tweaks. Even your roster has v low top 80 toon GP, i dont think you have a proper grasp of how these matches go or that in a more realistic div 1 match up, a 1950 score isnt possible because everything is relics everywhere

I don't think anyone is arguing against division 1 being split.

Unfortunately even after a split, the top end of the top division GP range will be in the same boat precisely because you'll all have the same set of maxed out meta toons, at which point there is very little scope for finding advantage through roster management.

"MaruMaru;c-2144555" wrote:

"Kurgen;c-2144539" wrote:
The sooner they change the entry criteria to the same as the matchmaking criteria the better. Not sure why they haven’t as they always seem to be spruiking that they don’t want to encourage people not to develop their rosters.... the current system rewards those who intentionally don’t develop their rosters.

The main complaint with the previous system was fluff hurting matchmaking. This new mm solved it to some degree as I can do as much fluff as I want to by a realistic definition what would be fluff. But it's still very much a brute force approach that doesn't care of the intricacies of the make up of top X, so whether enhanced to consider more toons (x+20 etc.) it will never be capable of "develop your roster as much as you can" unless you are specifically building in consideration for it.

Everyone that used to do -lean- are still doing it as there's no reason to change that. Unlike me where ackbar 12+3 is the 80th highest gp, they'll be much more careful not to push anything new without significant potential to go into their top X.

I’m not saying MM is bad, what I am saying is the division entry needs to be based upon the MM and then everyone in the div should have the chance of meeting anyone else in the div.

As it currently is, I will never meet Bus 74 in GAC even though we are both in the top div. even if we were next to each other on the leaderboard.

It is a stupid system which allows weak rosters to finish at the top of the top div.

"Rath_Tarr;c-2144572" wrote:

"Lysandrax;c-2144547" wrote:

The problem is that div 1 is the highest division in the game and most of the people in that division would walk on this guy. We need more divisions and we need some match-making tweaks. Even your roster has v low top 80 toon GP, i dont think you have a proper grasp of how these matches go or that in a more realistic div 1 match up, a 1950 score isnt possible because everything is relics everywhere

I don't think anyone is arguing against division 1 being split.

Unfortunately even after a split, the top end of the top division GP range will be in the same boat precisely because you'll all have the same set of maxed out meta toons, at which point there is very little scope for finding advantage through roster management.

'Roster management' doesnt mean what it should, it needs fixing too, that's why i included the need for match-making changes.
The power a toon gets from jumping to gear 13 is the largest in the game, as far as GAC match-making goes, there is no incentive to relic beyond that. Over gearing, even the top toons in the game, is to your detriment.

Very sad.
Many such cases.

I'm just glad folks are starting to become aware of this glaring issue with the MM system. They improved upon last version but introduced another issue they were trying to fix to begin with. Hopefully it can be ironed out but I'm not going to hold my breath over it. If it happens cool. If it doesn't, well I just keep putting along building fun factions to use for other modes.