So the big question I've had (and many others) is when do the offense and defense buff effect stacks expire when granted by dots or counter attacks. Based on swgoh.gg the buff effect stacks expire on "full turn complete" which was thought by many including me to be equivalent to "turn end". After looking at STH by chance I see his level 4 taunt ability also uses full turn complete x2. Which causes his taunt to last a length of time equivalent to 3 "turn ends". This leads me to believe that the defense gained from dots and counter attacks actually lasts until Kylos next turn instead of disappearing at his turn end.Could someone perform a test on this ability? Perhaps on phase 1 AAT where gg basic hits without dots and then after he applies a bunch of dots you can see if he is doing less damage on his basic.TLDR; Kylo dots make him tankier until his next turn instead of EOT

Zkylo sucks. His ai is useless. Speed and reduced dot damage does not make a tank.....

Please read my discussion on the mechanics of his unique ability. I believe the dots from his unique and from Vader and sidious increase his defense by a significant amount until his next turn. This makes him really stack up on his defense bonus which is relevant in the current meta.

Someone already did this experiment. Look up zeta kylo tank raid. The decreased dots and protection absorb make him invincible.

In the videos I saw that the damage variance of general g makes it difficult to tell if the dots defense stacks are persisting past the end of turn. If someone had a clear video it would be appreciated.

Yeah, the Zeta Kylo tank raid is not about the same thing as this thread. This thread's topic may factor into how that was possible, but is neither discussed, nor shown to be.

Kylo Ren better than you think he is

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Porkchop437
9 years ago
Zkylo sucks. His ai is useless. Speed and reduced dot damage does not make a tank.....
Bite_My_Hand
9 years ago
Please read my discussion on the mechanics of his unique ability. I believe the dots from his unique and from Vader and sidious increase his defense by a significant amount until his next turn. This makes him really stack up on his defense bonus which is relevant in the current meta.
OnEMesSduPKiD
9 years ago
Someone already did this experiment. Look up zeta kylo tank raid. The decreased dots and protection absorb make him invincible.
Bite_My_Hand
9 years ago
In the videos I saw that the damage variance of general g makes it difficult to tell if the dots defense stacks are persisting past the end of turn. If someone had a clear video it would be appreciated.
almightywood
9 years ago
Yeah, the Zeta Kylo tank raid is not about the same thing as this thread.

This thread's topic may factor into how that was possible, but is neither discussed, nor shown to be.
1amyourfath3r
9 years ago
They persist until the start of his next turn, after the dots proc. Once he attacks, the defense and offense buffs reset. If he still has DoT's, when they proc again, he gets the bonus until he attacks.

If he gets hit between that time, he gains bonuses for each attack, and does take less damage each time.

So, if you're attacking him with low dps characters, over and over, watch out on his next turn - it's going to be nasty. He's going to take next to no damage the more attacks he takes, and he's going to be really mad when he attacks next, and it's going to hurt.
Bite_My_Hand
9 years ago
"1AmYourFath3r;931823" wrote:
They persist until the start of his next turn, after the dots proc. Once he attacks, the defense and offense buffs reset. If he still has DoT's, when they proc again, he gets the bonus until he attacks.

This is what my topic is about. If your look at the mechanics on swgoh.gg, the mechanics show that the offense and defense buffs from dots do not reset after his attack and instead last until his next turn. This is based on the STH taunt evidence I pointed out above. I'd like more confirmation because many people still think the offense/defense stacks reset after an attack.
Basically I'm trying to figure out the exact way "full turn complete" works in swgoh.gg mechanics. Note that several characters use this or "end of turn" interchangeably.
Bite_My_Hand
9 years ago
https://swgoh.gg/characters/kylo-ren/ability/unstoppable

https://swgoh.gg/characters/stormtrooper-han/ability/draw-fire

Here's links to what I am talking about. Notice that change for STH from level 4 to level 5. It switches from full turn complete to end of turn. So at what point in a turn does full turn complete tick by 1. If someone has a STH with level 4 draw fire we could see exactly at what point during the turn the buff expires which would then prove Kylos case as well.

Perhaps @CG_Kozispoon or another Dev could clarify the mechanics on this ability? It would be much appreciated.
6the6bull6
9 years ago
"theKingsman;931820" wrote:
"WhiskeyPug;931003" wrote:
Zkylo sucks. His ai is useless. Speed and reduced dot damage does not make a tank.....

No, what makes him a tank is in fact his zeta that recharges protection based on damage of his special which it's cooldown is reset after he takes damage right lol?

I think what he means is the if the AI sees more than 1 opponent it will always uses lash out, so the only way AI kylo benefits from lash out is if his cds dont reset. So the zeta on lash out isn't great for defence.
Bite_My_Hand
9 years ago
Maybe a hypothetical will make my question more clear.

Let's say Kylo has full health, no protection, and 10 dots on himself and he just took a turn (just used lash out). Next it is your shoretroopers turn and he has taunt available. After shores turn it will be an enemy Vader turn who has culling blade ready. If Kylo still has his defense buffs from the 10 dots from his previous turn he will survive the culling blade, if not he will die. So will the defense buffs from the dots have not expired yet and thus save him? If they expired it would be better to use shores taunt. If they didn't expire then saving shores taunt for 1 more turn might be the better option.

This is why I would like to know how this unique ability works.