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BArrowsmith23
2 years ago

Kyroteck Grind

So to start by saying that I think the gear economy is really good at the moment and that I don't want to come across like I want everything really easy!

The 2 pinch points in the game imo, are kyro's and signal data. The concept of which I'm fine with, as in there should be a difficulty in getting characters from L0-R9.

However this year we had over 20 characters released all requiring 300+ Kyro's to get them to Relic. Probably a similar amount of characters last year to. I've just farmed the new characters for GL Leia and will have to grind through the Kyro's to get them to Relic. Again no complaint at this, as this is where I should be feeling the pinch. My issue is, as more characters are released your still stuck behind the pinch on 3/4 year old characters in the mass. Currently gearing up Mon mothma for example, is this really a character that should be a grind? Bad batch as a whole are another good example huge amount of kyro's.

Personally I would like them to release a new kryotech that replaced the pinch point on all new characters including the L12-13 piece. That way the current kyro's could be opened up a bit. In the same way they did with carbantis and stun guns.

I'm also interested in knowing how everyone else farms their kyro's? Do you use crystals or farm on nodes.
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The 2 pinch points in the game imo, are kyro's and signal data. The concept of which I'm fine with, as in there should be a difficulty in getting characters from L0-R9.

However this year we had over 20 characters released all requiring 300+ Kyro's to get them to Relic. Probably a similar amount of characters last year to. I've just farmed the new characters for GL Leia and will have to grind through the Kyro's to get them to Relic. Again no complaint at this, as this is where I should be feeling the pinch. My issue is, as more characters are released your still stuck behind the pinch on 3/4 year old characters in the mass. Currently gearing up Mon mothma for example, is this really a character that should be a grind? Bad batch as a whole are another good example huge amount of kyro's.

Personally I would like them to release a new kryotech that replaced the pinch point on all new characters including the L12-13 piece. That way the current kyro's could be opened up a bit. In the same way they did with carbantis and stun guns.

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The 2 pinch points in the game imo, are kyro's and signal data. The concept of which I'm fine with, as in there should be a difficulty in getting characters from L0-R9.

However this year we had over 20 characters released all requiring 300+ Kyro's to get them to Relic. Probably a similar amount of characters last year to. I've just farmed the new characters for GL Leia and will have to grind through the Kyro's to get them to Relic. Again no complaint at this, as this is where I should be feeling the pinch. My issue is, as more characters are released your still stuck behind the pinch on 3/4 year old characters in the mass. Currently gearing up Mon mothma for example, is this really a character that should be a grind? Bad batch as a whole are another good example huge amount of kyro's.

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Kyroteck Grind","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3626480"},"body":"
\"ChuMuc;c-2454880\" wrote:
It depends where you are in the game. If you are playing in the 11m+ range, kryos are not a problem, relic material and especially signal data is. Kryos come from zeffo and tb and tw rewards. What you are constantly missing is signal data. most of the accounts only need kryos for new released chars and those you get relatively fast.

For smaller accounts, the world looks much differently.


Yeah I’m at 9.25m gp and though I’m not out of the kyro crunch yet I can see the light at the end of the tunnel. I have about 5000 kyros I need to complete big things like LV, Inqs and finish JKCK. Beyond that nothing requires huge amounts of them. Farming wise I can burn through about 400 in excess of what is being added to the game and the big kicker is if I will run into any additional helpful LSB. An inq or bad batch bundle would shave 1000’s off that number.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2024-01-11T10:05:48.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2024-01-11T10:05:48.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:star-wars-galaxy-of-heroes-en/category:star-wars-games-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:swgoh-general-discussion-en/message:3626459/message:3626480","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"Rank:rank:13":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:13","position":24,"name":"Seasoned Ace","color":"000000","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:97142":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:97142","uid":97142,"login":"MasterSeedy","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2016-03-24T16:41:05.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://eaavatarservice.akamaized.net/production/avatar/prod/1/599/416x416.JPEG"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:13"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:97142"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3626481":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3626481","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3626481":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:97142"},"id":"message:3626481","revisionNum":1,"uid":3626481,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:swgoh-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3626459"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3626459"},"subject":"Re: Kyroteck Grind","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3626481"},"body":"LOL.

That does seem to be what I'm saying. But I hope the longer version is useful.

I try very hard to say that there's not enough of something in the game since the game is supposed to be a grind. Just because there aren't enough of something from a player's perspective (like Omicrons) doesn't mean that there should be more. Whether or not there should be more depends on a lot of things, including whether CG intends that thing to be a bottleneck, and what role does that bottleneck serve?

If the bottleneck blocks access to content that CG wants everyone to play (and it's pretty clear that CG wants people to play Conquest, the raids, and RotE TB, then it's probably the wrong bottleneck and needs to change. But if it's on something optional or scaled, then the bottleneck is probably fine. (everyone can access GAC, for instance, and if you don't have enough gear or Omicrons you just don't have as much success...but you can still **participate** which solves the access question)

So the question is really not so much how many Kyros are in the game and how many are required by new toons, the question (at least from CG's perspective) is whether the current Kyro balance prevents people from accessing content that CG wants widely accessible.

If we were going to seriously argue for an increase in availability of Kyros, we would have to figure out what content Kyros are blocking. Otherwise we could convince each other, but CG wouldn't have any reason to pay attention and so the thread would be useless.

So from my perspective, since no one was seriously arguing that the Kyro economy is blocking CG's goals, I tried to focus on quantifying what's going on and when it gets better to give hope to the people that read the thread.

Sometimes you don't need more of X gear. Sometimes you just need a little more hope that eventually things get better. That's what I'm trying to give to people in this thread.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2024-01-11T10:10:12.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2024-01-11T10:10:12.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:star-wars-galaxy-of-heroes-en/category:star-wars-games-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:swgoh-general-discussion-en/message:3626459/message:3626481","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:41653":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:41653","uid":41653,"login":"Schwartzring","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2019-04-07T07:16:28.819-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/custom/swgoh_06-1735829743146.png?time=1735829749000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:13"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:41653"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3626482":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3626482","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3626482":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:41653"},"id":"message:3626482","revisionNum":1,"uid":3626482,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:swgoh-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3626459"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3626459"},"subject":"Re: Kyroteck Grind","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3626482"},"body":"Started in 4-2019 & at 10.3 million, I'm still feeling the Kyro crunch.
.

That said, the Signal Data crunch is even worse.
.

After saving for a month now I have R0-7 for Scout & Drogan banked but still need the same amount for Leia & JKCal.

I've got the Kyro/G12 for Scout & Drogan too & Kyros for most of Leia.

But I'm still short all of JKCals Kyros & a couple G12 pieces.

And then there is shards to finish Drogan's last 2 stars which will cut into Sig Data.

.

Kyros wouldn't be such a problem if they stopped putting so many in every single new character.

Either put them on \"double\" for being Non-G12 gear, OR, Restrict them to G-12 Finishers & leave them single.

Or give us a new source for them. I already use GET2, GET3, & GAC exclusively for Kyros & sim them using my triple Gold refreshes every day since the only character I have on Farm status now is Paz.
(Though I will have to add Zori soon when she goes Double shards this month)

.

I do like the suggestion of a \"3rd\" kyro being released, something they could restrict to NEW FINISHERS ONLY.

That way they could put the 2 older Kyros on \"Double\" and still keep some bottle neck at G12.

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My Kyro crunch is more a result of me trying to farm multiple Chars at once, spreading my resources out rather than focused on one char. Changed it up past couple of days and farm for Kyros advancing quite a bit faster.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2024-01-12T09:39:39.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2024-01-12T09:39:39.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:star-wars-galaxy-of-heroes-en/category:star-wars-games-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:swgoh-general-discussion-en/message:3626459/message:3626484","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3626485":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3626485","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3626485":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:63373"},"id":"message:3626485","revisionNum":1,"uid":3626485,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:swgoh-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3626459"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3626459"},"subject":"Re: Kyroteck Grind","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3626485"},"body":"I hear people's point that once you get far enough in the game then the struggle becomes less or not a problem. It is about perspectives.

Though I would argue that if you've been playing for a long time then you're facing that pinch one at a time. As in a new character is released and you've only gotta get enough for that 1 character opposed to the mountain of kryos newer players have to tackle. I get it's rarely going to be quite as simple as that but hopefully you get my point.

I suppose my original point is more that it seems silly that older characters are still hit with that pinch to get to gear 12.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2024-01-14T01:40:22.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2024-01-14T01:40:22.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:star-wars-galaxy-of-heroes-en/category:star-wars-games-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:swgoh-general-discussion-en/message:3626459/message:3626485","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3626486":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3626486","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3626486":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:97142"},"id":"message:3626486","revisionNum":1,"uid":3626486,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:swgoh-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3626459"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3626459"},"subject":"Re: Kyroteck Grind","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3626486"},"body":"I do get your point.

The question is what are we, as a community, going to do about it? Are you arguing that after a toon has been out for a while that the gear recipe changes so that it no longer includes pre-g12 Kyros? Because each gear piece changes the stats of a toon, and if you change the gear recipe then that means that the character's stats change after X amount of time. Heck, I don't even know if this is possible in game without causing serious chaos.

I've tried to provide general support and hope b/c I don't see a way to address \"old toons\" who require Kyros. But if you have a specific plan that you want CG to implement we can debate that, and advocate for it if we agree. There's just no plan here.

So what would be helpful to you, besides general info and support?","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2024-01-14T05:43:33.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2024-01-14T05:43:33.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:star-wars-galaxy-of-heroes-en/category:star-wars-games-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:swgoh-general-discussion-en/message:3626459/message:3626486","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"Rank:rank:14":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:14","position":25,"name":"Rising Ace","color":"000000","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:212551":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:212551","uid":212551,"login":"Morgoth_swgoh","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2018-06-21T23:38:09.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/custom/swgoh_10-1735829916094.png?time=1735829942000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:14"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:212551"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3626487":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3626487","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3626487":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:212551"},"id":"message:3626487","revisionNum":1,"uid":3626487,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:swgoh-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3626459"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3626459"},"subject":"Re: Kyroteck Grind","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3626487"},"body":"I do believe as well that all long time players understand roughly what the kyro grind feel like.
Back before Kyro all toon progress was gated by a combination of carbs, stun guns, stun cuffs and to some extent golden eyeballs as well.

The introduction of Kyro have lead to the removal (more or less) of that particular bottleneck.
Considering for how long those other pieces were bottlenecks I think it’s premature to expect any change and a new gear piece to replace Kyro as a bottleneck.

I wouldn’t expect CG to change Kyro to any meaningful extent as a bottleneck in the near future, when they do it’s probably going to be in response to sub-relic to become completely meaningless in power level.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2024-01-14T07:01:06.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2024-01-14T07:01:06.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:star-wars-galaxy-of-heroes-en/category:star-wars-games-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:swgoh-general-discussion-en/message:3626459/message:3626487","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:138383":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:138383","uid":138383,"login":"Pulsipher","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2016-04-11T18:04:38.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-1.svg?time=1721239493000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:14"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:138383"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3626488":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3626488","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3626488":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:138383"},"id":"message:3626488","revisionNum":1,"uid":3626488,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:swgoh-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3626459"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3626459"},"subject":"Re: Kyroteck Grind","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3626488"},"body":"Pinch points are okay- even necessary. With multiple characters requiring the same gear we need to make choices. If we have enough gear and relic mats available to take everyone instantly to max- then there isn’t really any choice happening or roster differentiation. If you want a game where everyone has exactly the same roster…rock, paper, scissors is still popular! ;)","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2024-01-14T07:25:02.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2024-01-14T07:25:02.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:star-wars-galaxy-of-heroes-en/category:star-wars-games-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:swgoh-general-discussion-en/message:3626459/message:3626488","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3626489":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3626489","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3626489":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:63373"},"id":"message:3626489","revisionNum":1,"uid":3626489,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:swgoh-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3626459"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3626459"},"subject":"Re: Kyroteck Grind","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3626489"},"body":"I'm not suggesting changing characters requirements retrospectively, I agree that would be chaos! I'm suggesting (and I'm happy to concede that it might not be time just yet), that Kyro pieces should be replaced with a new piece on new characters. That way characters that are 3/4 years old aren't stuck behind the same bottleneck as the latest important characters.

CG are obviously conscious of newer player journeys hense LSB's and economy changes over the last few years etc. I'm just suggesting that this is also part of the equation. Since I started playing early 2020 (just after kyro's I believe?) we've had easily 80 characters released. The change to the game since then and the meta shift is huge. I'm not personally bogged down by kyro's, still a struggle mind. However it is healthy for the game when there is a pathway for new players to catch up.

Rock, paper, scissors comment is a little whatever, nobody is suggesting it should be easy for everyone to have everything given to them. Bottlenecks are important just need to be kept reflective of where the game is at. Relics have been released since kyro's, with R10 inevitably around the 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