6 years ago

Let's argue on characters tags !

As I know many will disagree I just want this to be more of a debate more than a bashing :

As time goes by, characters are something getting new tags/changing their tags. I don't know if many of you remember of the huge debate before Old Ben rework and the fact he gained the rebel tag but it was basically the same as I'm going to propose.

Why wouldn't Sidious get a Separatist Tag ?
I'll weigh the pros and cons :
- Yes because : he was the true leader, behind everyone back. He gave orders to Dooku and then General Greivous and finally to Anakin and manipulated everyone to achieve his ultimate goal.
- No because as stated before, he wasn't the official face of the CSI and he probably would have killed separatists if they were in his direct way.

Why wouldn't Assaj get a Sith tag ?
- Yes because she was a Sith apprentice, as Maul and Savage and she used the training, even limited, of her master to become strong. She even eventually became so strong that Sidious felt the threat and asked Dooku to kill her, which he failed to do so. She then seeked revenge, as a Sith would do.
- No because she was an apprentice, again as Maul and Savage.

Why wouldn't Maul and Savage get the Separatist tag ?
- Yes because they were apprentice of Sith leading the separatist (respectively Sidious and Tyranus), they were the premise of it. Separatist appeared around that time with Nute leading them after receiving order from Sidious.
- No because they eventually turned their back and went on their own ways to get revenge on the people who betrayed them.

But for all of them, it still makes sense to add the tags because they were part of the movement, as Assaj is a separatist even though she also turned on them after she was betrayed by Dooku. And to add more, we are talking for a new tag for this characters, not adjusting the abilities (maybe for sidious at least but the other were not really separatist leaders).
It would give variety to people rosters and we'll most likely still have a use for them in the Geo TB, even Sidious might be a leader of Separatist in a special mission or something (even if this is not likely to happen).

Alijar1
6 years ago
I think Tuskens should get a new tag called "rework", which highlights that they're due for one
Omeah
6 years ago
Sidious was the known leader of the Separatists among the Separatists. Dooku, Grievous and all the Separatists leaders knew that he was the true leader, only the Republic thought Dooku was behind everything (the general Republic population wasn't aware of Sidious' existence).

Asajj never became a Sith. There can only be two. When Asajj became strong enough that she was a danger to kill one of the two true Sith, Sidious ordered her death. Throughout the TCW noone ever refers to her as Sith, only as Dooku's assassin.

Maul is different from Asajj, as he was an actual Sith before Obi-Wan sliced him in half. Sidious didn't know that he survived and replaced him. After he learned that he was alive, he excommunicated Maul from the Sith Order. But Maul created his own Heretic Sith Order and he made his first apprentice Savage also Sith. The key here is that both Sidious&Dooku and Maul&Savage thought of the other pair as not-Sith and sought to destroy each other. Sure, we could create a Heretic Sith tag, but that would make things way too complicated. At the end of the day, we can call all four Sith.

Btw if we are discussing tags, give Visas a Jedi tag.
Departed402
6 years ago
What about Jango? Couldn't he be a Separatist?
HKFactory
Seasoned Newcomer
6 years ago
It’s been said before, and I’ll say it again, considering the old Ben thing, they may as well just give the resistance tag to the veteran smugglers since, like old Ben with the rebellion, they had a direct hand in helping the resistance. Also, I personally feel like IG-86 should get the separatist tag.
Rmaxtpmx
6 years ago
Mark and Savage were never separatists because they were "apprentice of sith leading the separatist". Mail had nothing to do with them as sidious' apprentice. They didn't even exist yet. And Savage was maul's apprentice, who had a personal agenda having nothing to do with politics in the slightest.

Everything else was already said by Omeah. There is no argument to be had here. The facts are the facts. People who are against facts are either ignorant or have a personal agenda, neither of whom are worth the time to argue with.
tialel
6 years ago
I know this seems to be focused on separatists, but I also have some issues with the Old Republic/Sith Empire Tags... specifically Visas Marr.

Sith empire refers to the time before the 'Rule of Two' was implemented by Darth Bane... So it stands to reason that Sion/Nihilus/Traya should receive this tag. Obviously that would make them too OP. They already have amazing synergies with each other as it is, so I understand the decision to not apply the tag.

Visas Marr, on the other hand, has no faction synergy. She was created to be the STR end all, be all healer - but her value for the raid has decreased substantially. Why not grant her the Old Republic tag to boost her viability outside of the raid?
firebrigade9
6 years ago
"Pbscoops;c-1864246" wrote:
I suspect Visas hasn't been given either the Jedi or Old Republic tags as that would dynamically increase JKR's capabilities more than the devs want. I think she should have at least one if not both of them

The answer is an easy one. Could you imagine a JKR team where Jolee could rez Visas and Visas could rez Jolee?
D34M0NTAZZ
6 years ago
Denying characters tags and breaking cannon is wrong. It's like adding ROTJ Luke and not giving him a jedi tag because that would be too overpowered.
Vets should be Resistance
IG86 should not be Separatist (they were used by criminals like Ziro, Gha Nachkt etc)
Asajj is either Sith+Separatist or just Nightsister
Maul+Savage and Sideous should not be Separatist
They could get away with giving Akbar a Resistance tag
They SHOULD add Porkins
Tonyrob715762
6 years ago
Alrighty then, let’s Argue.

Assaj Ventress - I believe CG has already confirmed that she was in fact a Sith apprentice. That’s not there augment any more from what I remember. They stated they were capturing her in a specific time or moment. My issue is, there was never a moment when Assaj Ventress was both Separatist and Nightsister. It was either one or the other. And the entire time she was a separatist, she was also a Sith apprentice for Dooku. And yes after all that, then she became a bounty hunter. All 3 can be separate characters. The one we currently have should either be just Nightsisters or Nightsisters, Sith, and Separatist. Plus I’d love to see Ventress and Vos bounty hunters.
Maul and Savage- Firstly, the Maul that we have in game is from The Phantom Menace, not the Animated Series. Regardless, Maul and Savage were never part of the separatist movement they had their own agenda to gain power and rule over others. If anything they could receive Deathwatch Tags, when we get there.
Darth Sidious - Sidious is complicated because unlike other characters where they either chose one side or the other, he didn’t. He played both sides, as a double agent of sorts, to serve his own agenda. He instilled fear into the separatist leader so that they would follow his leadership. He needed them to start war and chaos so that the Galactic Republic’s senators would elect him chancellor and continue to grant him more and more authority (or power) as the war progressed. He did this until all the republic’s power was voted into his hands and formed into the first galactic empire. So in my opinion he should either have none or both tags so that he can be paired with either team but, much like General Grevious, he should harm all characters to grow in power. And his leadership should be general with benefits to Sith, like it is. Although his leadership could probably use a tune-up.

Edit: What would be cool was if he didn’t even need tags. Imagine he had a unique ability that allows him to synergies with any team. At the cost of hurting active non Sith characters. Ultimate plug and play character, with a decent leadership.

While we are at it here are some other characters I feel are missing tags.

Vet Han And Chewie - Resistance Tags
Visas Marr - Old Republic and Jedi Tags
The Sith Triumvirate - Sith Empire Tags
Fulcrum - Phoenix Tag?? (Haven’t Watched the Show yet)
Jedi Knight Guardian, Consular and Sentinel - Old Republic and Galactic Republic. Guardian needs to be changed to Sentinel and they need to release a new Guardian to associate with the color scheme that’s in place.
Hermit Yoda - Rebel tag, not because I think he was a Rebel but because he is always used with other teams other then CLS. This would add more synergy but no big deal.
blackbeardpepe
6 years ago
I agree Sidious and Maul shouldn't be considered separatist. Every Nute and Sidious scene in the phantom menace, they mention it's a bargain tactic that Sidious is helping Nute. As if, Nute was representing the separatist and Sidious was representing the sith to benefit each other.