Leviathan isn’t pushing the meta…

"Nauros;c-2431924" wrote:
Any tips on the event fight agains Exe, ideally from someone who claimed that it's a cakewalk? It seems straight up impossible to me. Did they manage to stealth change it already?

I did it in first try with Fury-Bomber-Dagger
And I played it very stupidly, like I called Mark as a first reinforcement, so it took him looong time to get 40+ stack (it happened after I called Fighter as second reinforcement) or I was using a lot of aoes at the start yet I still won...
Don't remembeif I used Scimitar as third or not

"BattleFries;c-2431816" wrote:

"Shiryu;c-2431809" wrote:
It is almost like they have another character that loses all their abilities when they use their ult. Oh hi SEE, the worst GL. Losing his prot recovery and speed up abilities.

I literally cited Sith Eternal Emperor in my post as an example of how Leviathan could be changed for the better. Right now, Leviathan uses its abilities once and gains nothing in return. All I'm suggesting is that they instead get something to replace them. An ability you have the option to use is better than an ability you are not allowed to use ever again, right?

And I misunderstood something. JML does not replace his abilities like SEE does, so that's my bad. My fault for not paying enough attention to the kits of stuff I don't have. Sorry about that. All the same, SEE lost his protection recovery and gained something in its place. That doesn't make the design inherently bad, it just means that you traded protection recovery for more damage. If Leviathan replaced its abilities, those abilities could do anything, as opposed to the nothing they do now once the abilities have been used for the first time.

In fact, the Basic ability already does this. It has an effect that only applies "If Seize the Bridge has been used," so why not just reword the other special abilities to say, "If 'Seize the Bridge' has been used, this ability does something else in addition to or instead of some of its other effects."

Executor and Profundity not only get rid of the enemy ship, but they keep their own abilities. With Leviathan, you're not even guaranteed abilities that will be useful. I suppose it is sort of like Sith Eternal Emperor, but instead of trading your ship's abilities for something that you know will benefit you in a certain way, you're trading them for abilities that may or may not be helpful at all, or just minimally helpful. So, in a way, Leviathan is currently worse than Sith Eternal Emperor in how it trades away its abilities.

Taking an enemy ship should mean you get to control both of them, but as it is now, you only control the enemy ship, which likely has no synergy with your fleet unless it's another Leviathan.

All of which is to say, "Yes, I knew exactly what I was saying about fixing Leviathan in to be more like SEE, and I agree even more now that I've given it more thought."

I don’t know this fixes holdos ship easily countering it.

"BinBetter;c-2431913" wrote:
Came here to note I’m feeling the double sting on this. Lack of advertised performance level and obvious refresh scam costing myself and many others 2,254 unnecessary crystals. Shame on you CG for not testing your game and not clearly communicating event duration and refresh options. Refunding the crystal difference at a minimum would be the right thing to do.

I'm with Bin regarding this point! We all went ham on refreshes and bought the "required" 5 packs at 1250 crystals not expecting it to refresh overnight. Wasted an extra 999 refresh which was given free then since the 19 attempts get returned as well, there was no point to spend the extra 251 crystals x 5 on the packs. Those who acquire before the refresh should at least get that wasted 2254 crystals back!

"Trimk;c-2431942" wrote:

"BinBetter;c-2431913" wrote:
Came here to note I’m feeling the double sting on this. Lack of advertised performance level and obvious refresh scam costing myself and many others 2,254 unnecessary crystals. Shame on you CG for not testing your game and not clearly communicating event duration and refresh options. Refunding the crystal difference at a minimum would be the right thing to do.

I'm with Bin regarding this point! We all went ham on refreshes and bought the "required" 5 packs at 1250 crystals not expecting it to refresh overnight. Wasted an extra 999 refresh which was given free then since the 19 attempts get returned as well, there was no point to spend the extra 251 crystals x 5 on the packs. Those who acquire before the refresh should at least get that wasted 2254 crystals back!

Why? Why should you get back crystals that you spent because you weren't paying attention to the cooldown timer? That's on you, not CG. CG should be spending their time fixing Leviathan, not pandering to players who weren't paying attention.

Special isn’t adding 5 stacks of ferocity against Profundity. In some cases, dispelling ferocity on ships with stacks.

Concussion mines are dispelling fear before it can trigger, defeating its purpose. Perhaps seize the bridge can trigger concussion mine like Boush special before applying fear.

I think if they just crank the potency on the fleet it would be fine

I've spent quite a bit to unlock Levi day 1 and all I got was just hot trash ship that won't do anything both offence and defense.
Very disappointing performance which was supposed to be the Meta and CG again let us be the tester.

I really wanted a refund for what I've spent and I will never spend again for these kind of meta chase.

I bet GL Leia is going to be just like Levi, no testing, full of bugs and disappointment.

"The0nes;c-2431963" wrote:
I've spent quite a bit to unlock Levi day 1 and all I got was just hot trash ship that won't do anything both offence and defense.
Very disappointing performance which was supposed to be the Meta and CG again let us be the tester.

I really wanted a refund for what I've spent and I will never spend again for these kind of meta chase.

I bet GL Leia is going to be just like Levi, no testing, full of bugs and disappointment.

Was Jabba like that?

As @herd_nerfer and some other have pointed out: we definitely need to see how it functions when the bugs are fixed. Fear not getting dispelled by the concussions mines alone (if that's what's happening), will make a HUGE difference in the flow of battle. Also the one where if you ult before mk6 reinforces, you lose the bonus stacks. That's huge.

You also have to remember, MILF cleanses debuffs, so you need to instakill her FIRST when going against Profundity. Someone in my shard went 4/4 against Profundity with their 7* Leviathan and shared their strategy in our chat.

It always takes time for the community to wrap our collective heads around a new, dramatically different fleet/team, and work out the best dynamics of every matchup. We always have this kind of uproar about new things like this, and then it dies down as people figure out how to actually use them. But of course, the bugs have to be fixed first.

Beyond fixing the bugs, the ult does need to be reworked, as many have proposed. Maybe they need to create custom versions of each capital ship's abilities that are specific to when Leviathan takes it over, that you get access to. Similar to their existing abilities, but tweaked in favor of the Leviathan fleet's abilities. They lose their stats and you gain them, and their abilities synergize with Sith/Sith Empire. Otherwise...what's the point besides denying their ult?

I don't have Leviathan yet myself, but on track for next month. From what I've heard from my shard mates, and seen in the community, it seems these changes would bring it more on par with what was described/sold to us, and the level of investment.

And before anyone accuses me of being so, no I'm not a CG apologist by any means, and those of you who are around here often know that. I just recognize history repeating itself, and I think we will see these issues addressed in the coming weeks. If not, then I'm definitely diverting the rest of my relic stash I've been accumulating to finish Leviathan reqs, towards another project...

Thank goodness they really took their time with the Levi release letting us wait for so long to make sure that it's a propperly tested and functioning fleet.


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