Moff Gideon

I don’t know if I’d need to take anyone to r5 at all now for that. I’ve got a team for each phase already.

Starving man says to full man: We all have to eat.

Full man says to starving man: No, that's not true. I don't need to eat at all. I just finished eating 30 minutes ago.

The fact that you have toons at r5 for RCT is proof not just that we need r5 toons for RCT (we knew that) but further proof that you think it's worth taking toons to r5 for RCT.

No, you don't need to take every single toon in your inventory to r5, just every single toon you're going to use in RCT, which is exactly what i said:

or, wait, every single toon you're ever going to use in Rancor Challenge Tier, even the ones you're going to feed to Rancor to reset the cooldown of its devour ability in p2 & p3.

In order to get things done in the game, you need a variety of r5 toons for a variety of purposes, including but not limited to getting GLs, fighting Rancor, completing LS TB missions, and for those of us whose guild is close enough that it will make a difference, completing DS TB missions in p4. Obviously there's overlap for many of those toons, but not nearly all. Ahsoka is required at r5+ for her mission with GAS in LS TB p2. GAS is not required for any GL, but is required at r5 for LS TB. GAS is not required, but can be useful depending on your available GLs & other toons in the Rancor raid.

So, yeah, the game requires r5 for a bunch of things, and it requires low-level relics for even more, but you get a lot more out of that r1 toon by taking it to r5 and the investment required is minimal in comparison to the benefit.

So me? I'll keep doing that. I'm not sure how many relic toons I have, but it's well over 50 and I'm not done r5ing folks yet.

As for your statement about GAC:

Those who keep a careful watch on their matchmaking GP would argue the cost is facing more difficult opponents in GAC.
I’m not one of those people, by the way, but those people would definitely provide that counter argument.

Yep, they would. In fact, Konju showed up to make just that argument before I could even notice your comment.

Like you, I think it's a bad argument. Winning GAC is probably a lot of fun, sure, but the return on your investment is minimal compared to, say, taking top3 in even a single HSTR. Besides, that argument could be used to avoid taking your characters to g10 just as easily as taking your characters to relic-whatever. Refusing to improve your roster because GAC would get harder has no logical endpoint. Might as well quit the game lest you accidentally get a tough matchup & loose.

I hate that kind of thinking. I'd much rather (and it seems you would too, though I'm not trying to speak for you) see my roster improve every week and lose some GAC rounds than sit on my thumbs & beg the game gods to make everything easy for me.

"MasterSeedy;c-2228430" wrote:
Most toons don't need r5?

Well, sure. only all the toons who are required to get r5 for your GL quest or your Arena squad or your fleet pilots or to complete TB special missions or to complete LS TB combat missions or for the latest faction squad to complete Galactic Challenges, or, wait, every single toon you're ever going to use in Rancor Challenge Tier, even the ones you're going to feed to Rancor to reset the cooldown of its devour ability in p2 & p3. Just those.

My point is that the costs to bump a toon up another tier isn't much until r5=>r6. If you've used all the resources it takes to get someone to r1, why not r5 and make them available for all those other purposes? Especially since it's going to take you a few days before you have your next relic toon anyway? Why not spend 6-8 days worth of signal data per toon you take to relic since you're only getting another g13 toon every 6-8 days anyway?

I honestly am starting to worry about the cost of every relic level, as I'm feeling the carbonite squeeze.
Furthemore R5 is really not needed for most of the things you list. R5 is needed for Rancor and for certain GL requirements, but it's not needed in most cases for DS TB, only for select toons. It's needed for some toons for LS TB as well, but far from "most" I'd say.

Back on the main topic, I'm reasonably happy Moff Gideon is in cantina.
I'll not stop my signal farming for him now, but it will be a lot faster to get him to 7* if the need arises - and he is certainly on the priority list once I've got enough signal data for the current project.

"MasterSeedy;c-2228430" wrote:
Most toons don't need r5?

Well, sure. only all the toons who are required to get r5 for your GL quest or your Arena squad or your fleet pilots or to complete TB special missions or to complete LS TB combat missions or for the latest faction squad to complete Galactic Challenges, or, wait, every single toon you're ever going to use in Rancor Challenge Tier, even the ones you're going to feed to Rancor to reset the cooldown of its devour ability in p2 & p3. Just those.

Let's see....

Arena squad - R2 JKR, and then either G12 GMY or G11 Wat.

Fleet pilots - R4 GG, G12 Sun Fac, G12 Bossk, G12 Spy, G11 Cassian pilots.

LSTB - R2 JKR, G12 GMY, R3 CLS, R3 GK, G12, Jolee, G12 AT

Same, 3 refreshes, worse RNG, 43/85.

I dont get how anyone can complain.
Spending 2-3 weeks to farm a great toon as opposed to 3-4 months is a huge win. I'll gladly make the relic farming sacrifice for a small and valuable butterfly chase.

"PC_LILEDG3;c-2228570" wrote:
I dont get how anyone can complain.

It's the forums. That's what they do.

"MasterSeedy;c-2228445" wrote:

I don’t know if I’d need to take anyone to r5 at all now for that. I’ve got a team for each phase already.

Starving man says to full man: We all have to eat.

Full man says to starving man: No, that's not true. I don't need to eat at all. I just finished eating 30 minutes ago.

The fact that you have toons at r5 for RCT is proof not just that we need r5 toons for RCT (we knew that) but further proof that you think it's worth taking toons to r5 for RCT.

No, you don't need to take every single toon in your inventory to r5, just every single toon you're going to use in RCT, which is exactly what i said:

or, wait, every single toon you're ever going to use in Rancor Challenge Tier, even the ones you're going to feed to Rancor to reset the cooldown of its devour ability in p2 & p3.

In order to get things done in the game, you need a variety of r5 toons for a variety of purposes, including but not limited to getting GLs, fighting Rancor, completing LS TB missions, and for those of us whose guild is close enough that it will make a difference, completing DS TB missions in p4. Obviously there's overlap for many of those toons, but not nearly all. Ahsoka is required at r5+ for her mission with GAS in LS TB p2. GAS is not required for any GL, but is required at r5 for LS TB. GAS is not required, but can be useful depending on your available GLs & other toons in the Rancor raid.

So, yeah, the game requires r5 for a bunch of things, and it requires low-level relics for even more, but you get a lot more out of that r1 toon by taking it to r5 and the investment required is minimal in comparison to the benefit.

So me? I'll keep doing that. I'm not sure how many relic toons I have, but it's well over 50 and I'm not done r5ing folks yet.

As for your statement about GAC:

Those who keep a careful watch on their matchmaking GP would argue the cost is facing more difficult opponents in GAC.
I’m not one of those people, by the way, but those people would definitely provide that counter argument.

Yep, they would. In fact, Konju showed up to make just that argument before I could even notice your comment.

Like you, I think it's a bad argument. Winning GAC is probably a lot of fun, sure, but the return on your investment is minimal compared to, say, taking top3 in even a single HSTR. Besides, that argument could be used to avoid taking your characters to g10 just as easily as taking your characters to relic-whatever. Refusing to improve your roster because GAC would get harder has no logical endpoint. Might as well quit the game lest you accidentally get a tough matchup & loose.

I hate that kind of thinking. I'd much rather (and it seems you would too, though I'm not trying to speak for you) see my roster improve every week and lose some GAC rounds than sit on my thumbs & beg the game gods to make everything easy for me.

There’s a difference between improving your roster while keeping gac in mind and not improving your roster. I don’t know anyone who just doesn’t touch their roster so they can do well in gac. As you said, what would be the point? But they also don’t r3-7 just bc the toon would be better.

You said “So, yeah, the game requires r5 for a bunch of things, and it requires low-level relics for even more, but you get a lot more out of that r1 toon by taking it to r5 and the investment required is minimal in comparison to the benefit.”

In your opinion you get a lot more out of that r1 toon by going to r5. People who want to do better in gac have come to the opposite conclusion. And that’s fine imo. Ftr, the people I know who do well in gac also complete cpit, do well in geotb etc

Hi

"Gifafi;c-2229147" wrote:

"MasterSeedy;c-2228445" wrote:

I don’t know if I’d need to take anyone to r5 at all now for that. I’ve got a team for each phase already.

Starving man says to full man: We all have to eat.

Full man says to starving man: No, that's not true. I don't need to eat at all. I just finished eating 30 minutes ago.

The fact that you have toons at r5 for RCT is proof not just that we need r5 toons for RCT (we knew that) but further proof that you think it's worth taking toons to r5 for RCT.

No, you don't need to take every single toon in your inventory to r5, just every single toon you're going to use in RCT, which is exactly what i said:

or, wait, every single toon you're ever going to use in Rancor Challenge Tier, even the ones you're going to feed to Rancor to reset the cooldown of its devour ability in p2 & p3.

In order to get things done in the game, you need a variety of r5 toons for a variety of purposes, including but not limited to getting GLs, fighting Rancor, completing LS TB missions, and for those of us whose guild is close enough that it will make a difference, completing DS TB missions in p4. Obviously there's overlap for many of those toons, but not nearly all. Ahsoka is required at r5+ for her mission with GAS in LS TB p2. GAS is not required for any GL, but is required at r5 for LS TB. GAS is not required, but can be useful depending on your available GLs & other toons in the Rancor raid.

So, yeah, the game requires r5 for a bunch of things, and it requires low-level relics for even more, but you get a lot more out of that r1 toon by taking it to r5 and the investment required is minimal in comparison to the benefit.

So me? I'll keep doing that. I'm not sure how many relic toons I have, but it's well over 50 and I'm not done r5ing folks yet.

As for your statement about GAC:

Those who keep a careful watch on their matchmaking GP would argue the cost is facing more difficult opponents in GAC.
I’m not one of those people, by the way, but those people would definitely provide that counter argument.

Yep, they would. In fact, Konju showed up to make just that argument before I could even notice your comment.

Like you, I think it's a bad argument. Winning GAC is probably a lot of fun, sure, but the return on your investment is minimal compared to, say, taking top3 in even a single HSTR. Besides, that argument could be used to avoid taking your characters to g10 just as easily as taking your characters to relic-whatever. Refusing to improve your roster because GAC would get harder has no logical endpoint. Might as well quit the game lest you accidentally get a tough matchup & loose.

I hate that kind of thinking. I'd much rather (and it seems you would too, though I'm not trying to speak for you) see my roster improve every week and lose some GAC rounds than sit on my thumbs & beg the game gods to make everything easy for me.

There’s a difference between improving your roster while keeping gac in mind and not improving your roster. I don’t know anyone who just doesn’t touch their roster so they can do well in gac. As you said, what would be the point? But they also don’t r3-7 just bc the toon would be better.

You said “So, yeah, the game requires r5 for a bunch of things, and it requires low-level relics for even more, but you get a lot more out of that r1 toon by taking it to r5 and the investment required is minimal in comparison to the benefit.”

In your opinion you get a lot more out of that r1 toon by going to r5. People who want to do better in gac have come to the opposite conclusion. And that’s fine imo. Ftr, the people I know who do well in gac also complete cpit, do well in geotb etc

This. There's a balance. You can improve your roster strategically to help minimize the negative effects it would have on GAC matchmaking. Often times in GAC, team synergy and mods can be just as important as gear/relic level. Just as an example, look at Triumvirate vs. Geos - a g12+ Treya team can take duwn relic Geos fairly easily. There are numerous other examples where lower - geared (or at least, lower relic) teams can do well against higher ones.

The toons you are going to take to R5 for RCT should then be useful in other places (arena or GAC). That way, even if they do make GAC matchups more difficult, they also have a benefit in that game mode. JKR, Wat, Thrawn or even Rex or Shaak Ti would be good examples.

Another way to mitigate the impact of roster upgrades on GAC matchmaking is to hoard the gear and relic materials needed to acquire GLs, but not equip it until you are fully ready to participate in the event. Having 6+ R3-R7 FO toons bloating your GP with no SLKR to lead them will make it tough on GAC when you face basically the same roster - but your opponent does have SLKR.

"Jed_Eye;c-2230206" wrote:
Unless he is needed for something. I can wait till he hits accelerated. Big slap to the face to anyone farming relics.

need may be a strong word, but hey, ya never know.



big slap, no. slight tickle, maybe....at best.