I have a different take on the relic system. I completely understand the frustration of another grind. I don’t even have G13 toon but I’m still excited.What if the goal was to diversify the meta and make more teams viable. How would you do it without re-working every character? Gear 13 won’t work because it doesn’t change the base stats of each character. This relic system does fundamentally change each character. It starts the theory crafting completely over without going to level 90. Reworks seem to be expensive to CG, ensuring the new abilities don’t break the game. To me this is way better than the other options to make older characters more useful.In my opinion the handling of the Revans was ridiculous and an unsustainable business model. Simply leapfrogging over and over again makes the game stale and leads to more complaints than praise or at least it’s what I’ve observed.The purpose of the new relic system seems to be a complete revitalization of the game, which is refreshing. Players should have more choice and freedom while exploring the new relics rather than the current system of waiting for new meta toons. Additionally, this will not be based on randomness like mods. This new system appears let you choose your favorite characters and play style and see what happens. This sounds way more appetizing than where the game was headed. I’m hopeful for where the game is going...

"Whitefly425;d-212976" wrote:I have a different take on the relic system. I completely understand the frustration of another grind. I don’t even have G13 toon but I’m still excited.

A lot of assumptions there. Not sure where a lot of that originated.Much of what you wrote, especially in the last paragraph, might actually be true if relics weren't only available at G13. How can relics revitalize the game if they only apply to those with G13 characters? Even if you have a few at G13, it would only potentially be "revitalizing" those select characters.And how can you "choose your favorite characters and play style" if your favorite characters aren't at G13? Also, the relics classify characters into even more highly specialized classes/categories than they have now, so there's no indication of increased choice in play style there.Simple, short version of one of the possible compromises: make the darn things usable at G9 and limit the extent to which they can be upgraded per gear level. G13 characters still benefit the most because they can upgrade relics the most, but everyone can use (and potentially enjoy) the new content, not just top players. And not just use relics on a tiny portion of their roster. Whales will want to have fully upgraded relics on G13 characters and will still spend to get there. Players without any or many G13 characters would also have incentive to spend to upgrade relics to increase character strength and/or because they like a relic/character. Also, more importantly, they'd actually be able to spend to upgrade relics, as they'd have actually have access to said relics; with the G13 requirement in the way, a substantial portion of the player base can't even spend money on relics if they want to.

Why do people not expect grinding for resources in a resource grinding game? Yes, the new system is a grind, but the thought is it's a better experience doing it for unique items opposed to just an arbitrary ring around your character.

"MasterSeedy;c-1953430" wrote:Relics would be much better if you got to pick the type of bonus for your toon's relic instead of having the bonus type picked for you. Sure, almost everyone would pick the one that gives the best health bonus for Grievous, but not everyone. There would be an opportunity to make your characters different in a way that doesn't depend on RNG (i.e. Mods). That system would be worth writing home about. Until someone makes a bad choice and their character is permanently flawed. Same premise of why you can move mods currently.

"Vinniarth;c-1953512" wrote:"MasterSeedy;c-1953430" wrote:Relics would be much better if you got to pick the type of bonus for your toon's relic instead of having the bonus type picked for you. Sure, almost everyone would pick the one that gives the best health bonus for Grievous, but not everyone. There would be an opportunity to make your characters different in a way that doesn't depend on RNG (i.e. Mods). That system would be worth writing home about. Just system would require some brains from CG. They don’t like alikes Then people are going to complain they messed up their characters.CG does this to make sure nobody manages to make Grievous 1 shot a full G13 team

New Relic System - Different Take

17 Replies

CorpseMaker77
6 years ago

"Whitefly425;d-212976" wrote:
I have a different take on the relic system. I completely understand the frustration of another grind. I don’t even have G13 toon but I’m still excited.
111Deep
6 years ago
Everyone's gonna be mad.

Cuz they won't have the best of the best anymore.

(F2P mainly)
vegenigma
6 years ago
A lot of assumptions there. Not sure where a lot of that originated.

Much of what you wrote, especially in the last paragraph, might actually be true if relics weren't only available at G13. How can relics revitalize the game if they only apply to those with G13 characters? Even if you have a few at G13, it would only potentially be "revitalizing" those select characters.

And how can you "choose your favorite characters and play style" if your favorite characters aren't at G13? Also, the relics classify characters into even more highly specialized classes/categories than they have now, so there's no indication of increased choice in play style there.

Simple, short version of one of the possible compromises: make the darn things usable at G9 and limit the extent to which they can be upgraded per gear level. G13 characters still benefit the most because they can upgrade relics the most, but everyone can use (and potentially enjoy) the new content, not just top players. And not just use relics on a tiny portion of their roster.

Whales will want to have fully upgraded relics on G13 characters and will still spend to get there. Players without any or many G13 characters would also have incentive to spend to upgrade relics to increase character strength and/or because they like a relic/character. Also, more importantly, they'd actually be able to spend to upgrade relics, as they'd have actually have access to said relics; with the G13 requirement in the way, a substantial portion of the player base can't even spend money on relics if they want to.
PariahAnchorite
6 years ago
Then hit us with 7 * mods, and lvl90 per some proprietary equations.

Frankly, I am interested in how many new characters come out of the new cartoon series. If several, I’ll worry less . If none, the art team has been sacked - the next round of movie characters is probably done. Barring adjustments to outliers here and LSGTB, most of the mechanics team has probably been sacked. Luke Skywalker is done already and we are waiting on release.

Sorry for a negative tone, but with finishing touches, i see solidification and skeleton crews.
Alijar1
New Ace
6 years ago
Personally I'm more interested in the new abilities for characters they teased when they first announced relics.
Now, I know not every character will have a new ability come relic unlock but it'll be an extra layer to the relic system and spice up the battles even more
austin09370
6 years ago
Why do people not expect grinding for resources in a resource grinding game?

Yes, the new system is a grind, but the thought is it's a better experience doing it for unique items opposed to just an arbitrary ring around your character.
MasterSeedy
Seasoned Ace
6 years ago
Relics would be much better if you got to pick the type of bonus for your toon's relic instead of having the bonus type picked for you.

Sure, almost everyone would pick the one that gives the best health bonus for Grievous, but not everyone. There would be an opportunity to make your characters different in a way that doesn't depend on RNG (i.e. Mods). That system would be worth writing home about.
Armaturbatyr
6 years ago
"MasterSeedy;c-1953430" wrote:
Relics would be much better if you got to pick the type of bonus for your toon's relic instead of having the bonus type picked for you.

Sure, almost everyone would pick the one that gives the best health bonus for Grievous, but not everyone. There would be an opportunity to make your characters different in a way that doesn't depend on RNG (i.e. Mods). That system would be worth writing home about.

Just system would require some brains from CG. They don’t like alikes
austin09370
6 years ago
"MasterSeedy;c-1953430" wrote:
Relics would be much better if you got to pick the type of bonus for your toon's relic instead of having the bonus type picked for you.

Sure, almost everyone would pick the one that gives the best health bonus for Grievous, but not everyone. There would be an opportunity to make your characters different in a way that doesn't depend on RNG (i.e. Mods). That system would be worth writing home about.

Until someone makes a bad choice and their character is permanently flawed. Same premise of why you can move mods currently.
111Deep
6 years ago
"Vinniarth;c-1953512" wrote:
"MasterSeedy;c-1953430" wrote:
Relics would be much better if you got to pick the type of bonus for your toon's relic instead of having the bonus type picked for you.

Sure, almost everyone would pick the one that gives the best health bonus for Grievous, but not everyone. There would be an opportunity to make your characters different in a way that doesn't depend on RNG (i.e. Mods). That system would be worth writing home about.

Just system would require some brains from CG. They don’t like alikes

Then people are going to complain they messed up their characters.

CG does this to make sure nobody manages to make Grievous 1 shot a full G13 team