New TB info: MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR Complaints

‘’I live in a slacker guild, so we have a huge wave of people picking up GrandInq this next week (including me). I don't think we'll get Reva until the 10th to 12th TB, so about 4TBs/2months behind the leading guilds.’’

That’s still pretty good.

"Tellithowitis;c-2397305" wrote:

"MaruMaru;c-2397298" wrote:

"MasterSeedy;c-2397296" wrote:
@MaruMaru

How does Reva shard accumulation look in the almighty guilds look?

MAW Aurodium got 48/50 with 100% streaming rate and some specific strategies. Turn order in particular is important. Getting stunned once is recoverable but getting stunned 2+ times seems to be extremely difficult to recover from.

Another MAW got 43/50, and I'm sure a few other guilds hit 40/50 or better, but no one beat 48/50.

All the guilds that hit 40/50 have a serious shot at unlocking Reva in 7 TBs, since success rate should only increase.

I live in a slacker guild, so we have a huge wave of people picking up GrandInq this next week (including me). I don't think we'll get Reva until the 10th to 12th TB, so about 4TBs/2months behind the leading guilds.

Whoah these numbers are seriously high octane. GG to them, it takes dedication and not just wallet. Same for me and my guild (= in 5 days)

Every member at maw has probably spent 100k dollars in the game, if you have to pay half the price of a house on a game to participate in an event that says a lot

That is how this, and every other mobile game works.

You pay to have access early, or wait and have access later.

Yeah, that.

To get the most r9s possible for me, I'd be starting with the things that I have at r8, but those are things I took to r8 as requirements for something else. They wouldn't make good squads. If I want squads with synergy, other than my JKL/JML squad, I'd be starting with a number of r5s and bringing them along to r6, then those r6s to r7s, etc. Just making sure every squad has r6 is still something I have to do since historically I've been more Pokemon strategy than MaxPower.

just because one giga kraken guild whose players have spends millions of dollars on the game combined, was able to nearly max this TB day 1, it doesn't mean that for 90% of the community this is anywhere near possible for another few years

They didn't max anything out except the Reva mission. Also? Just FYI I'm FtP except for one $25 (or so? I might forget the exact number) crystal purchase almost 7 years ago which was just to support the game (because I prefer the purchase model and I feel an ethical duty to support the programmers who make the games I play). I also took a several month break at one point during which I would have earned far more crystals than I gained with that one purchase. Despite all that, the people in Maw are at most 3M gp above me, which not only takes 2 years or less to accomplish, but also I have the advantage of knowing what toons will be best for the new TB before I relic them up. Which means Ultimately I can probably be as effective in TB with 10.5 to 11M as those highest players are with 12.1. In 18 months or less I'll be dropping mad scores in TB.

What about the people just starting today?

Well, it should take them 1/2 the time to go from starting the game with 0gp to where I am now, which means less than 3.5 years.

Is that a long time? Sure.

Is it a lot shorter than it took me? Yep.

Should it be shorter still? Maybe, maybe not. Hard to tell. The right amount of time is the amount of time that allows the majority of players to have hope of reaching end-game content while still slowing people down enough that they spend and thus support the game. Where that is, I'm not sure. I just know that I'm at the point in the game where I never farm anything that's not a new release because I have everything else, and yet I still have goals to work toward, in part because of this new TB.

You have to find the fun in this game, because there are always going to be bottlenecks slowing you down, and you'll never be in MAW unless you either go back in time to open your account sooner or spend like crazy.

What's fun in the game for you? Why do you play? Focus on that.

I thought this tb was good and rewards are great. Significantly less time sink is very welcome.
R9 squads are likely 1-2 years but new tb definitely gives more incentive to gear Inq and Jabba.
Overall, I'd say this is my favorite pve to be released since the sith raid

my question is how do they intend for a Qira/yolo squad to work past r6? r5 was fine but the lando lando mission i got destroyed with a team of r7 Smugglers

"Nothingface;c-2397403" wrote:
R9 squads are likely 1-2 years

An optimist!

All I'm saying is that in general, catching up the f2p used to be roughly 6-8 months worth of time up until GAS came into the game.

I'm not sure what this means. If you mean that you could start a new account and be playing end-game content in 6-8 months without spending, no. That was not true a month before GAS came out.

If you mean that well-developed FtP accounts like mine would be 6-8 months behind the whales? Well, sure, that was probably true (except not my account b/c I wasn't quite as caught up then as I am now).

But I don't really think that my account is more than 6-8 months behind the whales right now in terms of access to end-game content. I'm about to pick up Jabba, and he hasn't even been out 3 months. Sure, I'm 6 months behind on Grand Inquisitor, but only because they didn't run his event for 6 months. IIRC I was ~4 weeks late on is first event and could have picked up GI at any time after that.

In general, I'm 3-4 months behind the whales in collecting things, although it's very likely I don't relic them as high as the whales do after collecting them.

In the past that hasn't mattered for content access, so before this TB hit I would say that I was -- Grand inquisitor excepted -- 3-4 months behind the whales in a general sense. All those r7 Ugnaughts didn't bother me because they added to whale GP without allowing the whales to do anything that I couldn't.

Now this TB does change the calculation a bit, sure. But the truth is that my guild isn't hitting the r9 territories, so the lack of r9 squads isn't holding me back from playing anything. Lack of r8 squads is, but that's an easier hole to fill.

So I'll do what I have always done. I'll farm the new stuff and use the time between relic'ing the new shiny toys to bring lower-priority toons to low relic and add some high relic levels on the high priority toons of previous quests. I generally have left my GLs anywhere between r5 and r7 depending on what I wanted a squad to do. If I could do what I wanted at r5, why spend the resources to take the GL to r7? I did not focus on just maximizing power. It is, as you point out, inefficient.

But eventually you get that special Datacron or something and your idea of the relic tier you want on that older but still special toon changes. So you slather a couple relic tiers on top.

This doesn't change any of that strategy, but it does mean that for a bunch of toons that are currently r5, I kinda want to slather r8 on all of them all at once.

Will I be able to do THAT in 3-4 months? LOL, nope. But still, I'll be just fine, and the fact that the whales are suddenly farther ahead of me than a mere 3-4 months **on this specific goal of playing the most ridiculous TB content** won't bother me at all.

One major reason why?

Because its' not our current toons that are going to make the difference in these TB missions.

Remember when LS Geo came out we didn't have JKL, JML, or JMK. We didn't have **any** Omicrons, much less special Omicrons that were tailored to defeat specific difficult missions. Now we have Bad Batch with Omega's Omicron specially tailored to trivialize the KAM mission. But the whales didn't get that a year before me. They didn't even get it a month before me.

Trust me, in terms of conquering this TB I'm not actually suddenly much farther behind the whales. Sure, the new requirements make me wish all my r5s were r8, but that won't be the secret to trashing these battles.

The secret to trashing these battles is waiting for the new toons that have kits specially designed to trash these battles, and the whales are going to have to wait just as long as I will.

did you have the whole 1/1 in both arenas nailed down before they took away crystals from the arena?

Yes.

Also are you a kyber 1 player now?

No. I don't like GAC, but even if I liked it and tried to max out my position, I would probably spend most of my time in high-K2.

As it is I spend most of my time in K3.

In my opinion those who got away with that through luck or skill or just doing their due diligence were always playing a completely different game than most of the community.

So... in your opinion, luck, skill and doing due diligence aren't part of the game for most of the community?

Like, seriously, aside from the simple choice of what toon do you get next, that's the entire game.

"Tellithowitis;c-2397465" wrote:

"MasterSeedy;c-2397458" wrote:

did you have the whole 1/1 in both arenas nailed down before they took away crystals from the arena?

Yes.

Also are you a kyber 1 player now?

No. I don't like GAC, but even if I liked it and tried to max out my position, I would probably spend most of my time in high-K2.

As it is I spend most of my time in K3.

I feel like for players who understood the old arena system from the early days and were able to join shard chats and secure the golden 1/1 for a long time, they basically were f2p with the resources of a mini whale. Earning 700+ crystals a day from your payouts was absolutely insane and it allowed many players to hoard a lot more resources than they should otherwise be able to. Not missing key characters like CLS, JTR, Revans and the **** was essentially a golden ticket to the game.

In my opinion those who got away with that through luck or skill or just doing their due diligence were always playing a completely different game than most of the community. Back in the day especially we had a lot of notice for events. Eventually CG caught on it and begun to crack down on it with shortening notice times, making marquee characters farmable just before major legend events etc and ultimately by shifting crystals from the arena to the grand arena, however those players who were "grandfathered" into those early arena shards and got the privilege of earning 700 crystals a day just from the payouts I personally would not put them on the same boat as the rest of the f2p community. You can disagree with that logic and I respect that, but speaking from experience that was just an absurd amount of resources coming your way and especially if you hoarded and didn't impulsively spend, you had the ability to stack enough crystals to make your life a lot easier.

I got a small taste of the fleet shard chat back in the day when I finally got the **** and I contacted my shard mates and they let me into the payouts and it felt absolutely nuts getting 1 every single day, I can only imagine if I could do the same for the character arena payout too. Unfortunately it didn't last very long but it was huge. There was also another huge component at the time which was luck with mods. Getting high speed mods was not an easy task and back in the day we had way fewer options and before the mod system rework, getting high speed mods was easier so whoever jumped on that train, (mostly those 1/1) players, got a ton of high speed mods which after the rework of mods came very handy to secure the top arena spots when the meta was basically so speed depended that even 1 extra speed point could determine who wins and who loses.

So yeah there's a lot things I could say about that but lucky you for being able to nail it down and enjoy those payouts for as long as you did

Im not following something: MasterSeedy challenges the 6-8 months theory, implying that you needed more to catch up with those at the top as a new player. They agree with the 6-8 months window only if it means ‘getting new stuff 6-8 months after whales’ and not ‘new player catch up’, implying that a less dedicated account would need more than 6-8 months to ‘get new stuff after the whales’.
Still, your counter-argument is that they got too much crystal revenue to represent the general player experience, eventually making their argument stronger, because another player would need even more time. What am i missing in this discussion ?