New TB info: MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR Complaints

"Tellithowitis;c-2397588" wrote:

"MaruMaru;c-2397572" wrote:

"Tellithowitis;c-2397568" wrote:

"MaruMaru;c-2397562" wrote:

"StarSon;c-2397545" wrote:

"MaruMaru;c-2397542" wrote:

"StarSon;c-2397541" wrote:

"MaruMaru;c-2397540" wrote:

"StarSon;c-2397514" wrote:

"MaruMaru;c-2397491" wrote:
they went over their previously established -all trequirements farmable for a while- norm and made the seperation of high grade spending vs. low/none via shards.

Eh, not really true. This has always been the way for limited events, like GI, and still is. But when it comes to permanent events, like Aphra or a GL, this has never been the case because it doesn't really matter.

Eh, totally true. The exact event this first happened is gl rey. These days even the expectation of farmability before the event is not existent. Can you recall any single event before Rey that didn't have a farm window on maps for a bit?

You can't prove me wrong by using my own point against me. All GL events (and BAM, SK, Aprha) are permanent events and have never had 100% of requirements farmable for any period of time before the event, unlike all Legendary events which have had some amount of farming time.

How much time did exist when all toons are made farmable for GI? The time that existed b4 for such was enough to patch it up with a bit of pile even for f2p.

The same time as has always been: ~3 weeks. The last Inquisitor was released to a node on 6/8 and the GI event ended on 6/30. For reference, I checked the JKR event. The last two Marquee were on a node on 9/26 with the event ending on 10/25. An extra week in there because you had an extra character to farm on short notice.

Ok then, my memory fails me. In relation to the topic, the -gap widening- argument is even less of an issue then. Actual experience of how it runs showcased the r9 req is even less of an issue when you can't max previous zones leading there.

So your argument is that since we won't even get to relic 7-8 any time soon, worrying about relic 9 is a non issue? ????

Nop. There is no r8 issue either. I have enough r7s and it's pretty much within reach.

Key: YOU have, I have 0 relic 8s and only 3 relic 7s and I'm basically at 0 on all signal data and low on scrap so tell me how many years will it take me to have a bunch of r8 teams?

A few, but probably less than you think. Players who engage in the new tb engage in ls geo since it started 3 years ago. They have unlock several GLs since GLs appeared in the game, which is a little less than 3 years ago. Considering gear is easier to get now, in about 2 years you should be able to engage in new tb. We will figure out soon enough how long the R7 to R8 road will take.

"MaruMaru;c-2397562" wrote:

"StarSon;c-2397545" wrote:

"MaruMaru;c-2397542" wrote:

"StarSon;c-2397541" wrote:

"MaruMaru;c-2397540" wrote:

"StarSon;c-2397514" wrote:

"MaruMaru;c-2397491" wrote:
they went over their previously established -all trequirements farmable for a while- norm and made the seperation of high grade spending vs. low/none via shards.

Eh, not really true. This has always been the way for limited events, like GI, and still is. But when it comes to permanent events, like Aphra or a GL, this has never been the case because it doesn't really matter.

Eh, totally true. The exact event this first happened is gl rey. These days even the expectation of farmability before the event is not existent. Can you recall any single event before Rey that didn't have a farm window on maps for a bit?

You can't prove me wrong by using my own point against me. All GL events (and BAM, SK, Aprha) are permanent events and have never had 100% of requirements farmable for any period of time before the event, unlike all Legendary events which have had some amount of farming time.

How much time did exist when all toons are made farmable for GI? The time that existed b4 for such was enough to patch it up with a bit of pile even for f2p.

The same time as has always been: ~3 weeks. The last Inquisitor was released to a node on 6/8 and the GI event ended on 6/30. For reference, I checked the JKR event. The last two Marquee were on a node on 9/26 with the event ending on 10/25. An extra week in there because you had an extra character to farm on short notice.

Ok then, my memory fails me. In relation to the topic, the -gap widening- argument is even less of an issue then. Actual experience of how it runs showcased the r9 req is even less of an issue when you can't max previous zones leading there.

Yeah, after running it it's clear there really isn't a gap widening issue here. We are a top 20 guild, we got 30*, same as (it seems) all of the top 100 guilds. I think the top 5 guilds maybe did a handful more stars, but they aren't getting drastically more rewards (because the r8/r9 rewards are absolute complete garbage).

Honestly, I was very much on the negative side of this at announcement, but after seeing it, the TB is fine. I still think the relic requirements are dumb, but overall the TB is good and for a guild our size the rewards are excellent for the effort. Although, the officers will probably burn out before too long because CG still failed to make the management side any easier.

"Tellithowitis;c-2397606" wrote:

"StarSon;c-2397603" wrote:

"MaruMaru;c-2397562" wrote:

"StarSon;c-2397545" wrote:

"MaruMaru;c-2397542" wrote:

"StarSon;c-2397541" wrote:

"MaruMaru;c-2397540" wrote:

"StarSon;c-2397514" wrote:

"MaruMaru;c-2397491" wrote:
they went over their previously established -all trequirements farmable for a while- norm and made the seperation of high grade spending vs. low/none via shards.

Eh, not really true. This has always been the way for limited events, like GI, and still is. But when it comes to permanent events, like Aphra or a GL, this has never been the case because it doesn't really matter.

Eh, totally true. The exact event this first happened is gl rey. These days even the expectation of farmability before the event is not existent. Can you recall any single event before Rey that didn't have a farm window on maps for a bit?

You can't prove me wrong by using my own point against me. All GL events (and BAM, SK, Aprha) are permanent events and have never had 100% of requirements farmable for any period of time before the event, unlike all Legendary events which have had some amount of farming time.

How much time did exist when all toons are made farmable for GI? The time that existed b4 for such was enough to patch it up with a bit of pile even for f2p.

The same time as has always been: ~3 weeks. The last Inquisitor was released to a node on 6/8 and the GI event ended on 6/30. For reference, I checked the JKR event. The last two Marquee were on a node on 9/26 with the event ending on 10/25. An extra week in there because you had an extra character to farm on short notice.

Ok then, my memory fails me. In relation to the topic, the -gap widening- argument is even less of an issue then. Actual experience of how it runs showcased the r9 req is even less of an issue when you can't max previous zones leading there.

Yeah, after running it it's clear there really isn't a gap widening issue here. We are a top 20 guild, we got 30*, same as (it seems) all of the top 100 guilds. I think the top 5 guilds maybe did a handful more stars, but they aren't getting drastically more rewards (because the r8/r9 rewards are absolute complete garbage).

Honestly, I was very much on the negative side of this at announcement, but after seeing it, the TB is fine. I still think the relic requirements are dumb, but overall the TB is good and for a guild our size the rewards are excellent for the effort. Although, the officers will probably burn out before too long because CG still failed to make the management side any easier.

Do you have any idea how difficult it is to get 1 character to relic 8 or 9? Even 7 I would argue is very hard. Most people are completely dry on signal data and they still have characters to farm in cantina nodes. Scrap is still not easy to come by once you get to relic 5 and even farming some of the gear 12 finisher pieces is incredibly slow. I was stuck for like month on the last 3 characters for SLKR cause between sith trooper, stormtrooper and veteran Han j needed like 4-5 furnaces and that alone took forever.

Yes, I know exactly how difficult it is. I am a launch player and have 11 r8 (only 1 of which is because I wanted to) and 2 r9. r7 isn't terrible anymore, but still rough because of material overlap and how long it takes to farm signal data. I have no cantina farms left, but when they put new characters there I always pause my SD farm to finish the character.

After finishing my farm to g13 I still have a bunch of relic levels and I'm basically dry, I have NO gear 12 finishers, no kyro, no signal data and I still have to scrap a bunch of gear 12 to get a bunch of characters to relic 5.

As a retuning player I've been playing for 6 months and other than Malak and GAS who I unlocked shortly after returning to the game, I have only been able to gear 13 the characters that are required for SLKR and nothing else. I've been getting top 3 in every single sith raid in my guild, which takes so much effort and I still find myself completely dry of g12 pieces all the time. Even now that I have all SLKR requirements at g13 it will be a long time till everyone is on the right relic levels and then I have to spend more time farming tickets and then even longer to farm his ultimate. Not to mention since I have no gear or relic mats left when I get SLKR it could be another month before I get him to relic 7 or so.

This notion that the game has catch up mechanisms is ridiculous. The grind is horribly slow, G12 right side pieces are still a massive problem, signal data is still a massive problem. You have all been played because CG made the first two phases of this new TB easy so people like you can get a little bone and get off their back. Wait until you realize that those two extra relic levels are not as easy as you think to get.

The gap issue was between F2P and whales, not new players and old players. You are of course going to have to catch up as a new (or returning) player, thinking otherwise is just silly. I agree with most of the rest of the stuff you said, though. The game is very grindy, the bottlenecks are ridiculous, and catching up should be easier. But you should still have to catch up if you haven't been here for 7 years.

Also, if you read any of my other posts here, you know I'm fully well aware of the difficulty of getting to r8/r9 and how crazy it is that they claim they've made either of those easier.

The people saying "it's high end content it's supposed to be that hard." Are missing thr point. The reason this game has been bleeding players for years now is because the developers do not know how to properly do progression in a game. Everytime there's new content it isn't "the next step" but instead a ridiculously huge chasm to cross. Any good game worth it's salt knows that progress should flow, you finish one thing and you should be ready to start the next thing. Not here, you finish one thing then find a brick wall with a sign saying "spend the next year redoing the stuff you've already finished so that you are just barely ready to start the new thing." That's not fun. Grinding is one thing, but the gaps CG continues to create are not grinds, they are just poor design choices.

"MaruMaru;c-2397646" wrote:

"StarSon;c-2397607" wrote:


Yes, I know exactly how difficult it is. I am a launch player and have 11 r8 (only 1 of which is because I wanted to) and 2 r9. r7 isn't terrible anymore, but still rough because of material overlap and how long it takes to farm signal data. I have no cantina farms left, but when they put new characters there I always pause my SD farm to finish the character.

I have a bit worse count than you, but similar


Not even close to 1 compatible team at r8 or r9. Do you plan to do any r8-9 for this tb?

Eventually, yes. Our guild is focused on the first 3 phases first though. After I have a Reva team and Jabba I can focus on p4 platoon characters. R9 is considerably farther off.

starson:

Honestly, I was very much on the negative side of this at announcement, but after seeing it, the TB is fine. I still think the relic requirements are dumb, but overall the TB is good

Yep. This was/is me. Full agreement here. My guild probably underperformed, but assuming we did, it shouldn't take us too long to get things sorted. And we've got good folk who are gearing up the garbage toons required for Operations, and work divided is work made easy. Combine that with generally new information from others about which squads work best in which fights, then whatever is our natural star count we should be hitting it soon.

My biggest disappointment is Reva. We had some people with GrandInq who didn't attempt the mission b/c they didn't take their Inq squad to full r9. Still, we should be up and running a whole lot of GIs in a whole lot of r7 Inq squads in the near future.

So, yes. The initial news was very disappointing, but part of that was not entirely understanding how things function and such. I expect things to get better quite quickly, and that there will be accessible goals after that that will not take years to reach. So this didn't turn out to be something for which progress is ridiculously slow. It's something that is hard but with so many way-points on the road to improvement that I don't mind that reaching ultimate-slaughter levels is years away.

Masterseedy,
Inquisitors just need to be R7

Sure, it's better than nothing to have 2 times the shard drops for characters more than 1 year old but is that enough when you got 30 of them to get to 7 stars?

You're not listening. When the game came out, I joined 2 months late. Then I took 6 months off later that same year. So when Nov 2016 came along, people who joined week-1 had 12 months of play to my 4 and even the people in my Squad Arena shard had 10 months to my 4, locking me out of a huge source of crystals.

Those small advantages that you dismiss as nothing are what allowed me to eventually catch up to my peers and place 1st in squad arena shortly before they removed crystals there.

And my perspective on this TB isn't based on finding out I'll be quicker to the end-game content. I won't. My perspective on this TB changed because I found out that there's more to do SHORT OF that end-game content than I thought.

In other words, I'm happy to have something to do, anything to do, that allows me to feel I've taken a step forward. The TB **sounded like** it was designed very all-or-nothing, with nothing for me to do on days 4-6. But in fact there's so much to do that we can preload a territory one day and make it the focus the next and end up with things to do every day.

And that's all I wanted: to play the game.

You have a different perspective. You want to WIN the game. But there's no winning. There's only moving your roster forward one bit at a time.

The truth is that you're in a great place to play LS Geo TB. There's lots of room for improvement as you collect and nurture your LS GL squads, slowly building them out. Even with no GLs, when you get Jedi Knight Luke, drop a bunch of slow mods on him, and then add in GMY, JKRevan, a TM jumper who responds to allies being hit (Barriss or Shaak) and one random toon, preferably with an assist call or who is a good tank OR Jolee (who has revives), you suddenly have a nearly unbeatable squad, tearing through p1-3 getting 4/4 in every mission and usually getting 4/4 in p4 as well. That's a squad you can assemble and you can see the results play out dramatically and obviously right in front of you.

It really seems to me that you don't want to play the game, you want to win the game. That's not going to happen. I didn't change my perspective on the new TB because I thought I could win. I just want to play and keep playing and mark my progress with milestones as I travel through.

If you can't play because you enjoy playing, if you have to win, then SWGOH will never be fun for you and you should quit now.

If you can manage your need to win, you can play GAC and win until you're facing people with a multiple-GL advantage over you, and then you can at least be proud that you've made it that far while you work on your next GL to conquer that person too.

But the real fun of SWGOH is just in the playing. You'll never win. It's not in the nature of the game.

Guys, remember when Luke was training with Yoda?

Did Luke say "why can't I get the highest Jedi power without leveling up"?

No. Luke trained hard and leveled up. He never expected any handouts. :'(

It is not about the size of you rewards, but how you use them.