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"SinisterSandman;c-1653806" wrote:
"Chewy88;c-1653802" wrote:
Those resources would have gone to a better faction if we knew months ago when the raid launched that this would happen.
Alright then, name a better faction than the new NS that you haven't already worked on.
The bh would have gotten the gear I put on asaj talzin and Daka"yohann269;c-1653812" wrote:
"Chewy88;c-1653802" wrote:
"SinisterSandman;c-1653800" wrote:
So you're all saying that without the cheese you would never have invested in NS at all, despite this being a completionist game? And you're angry because they restored the completionist aspect to Zombie and made the game what it was supposed to be in the first place?
So you have a g12 cup? This isn’t a completionist game it’s strategy game and a resource management game. Those resources would have gone to a better faction if we knew months ago when the raid launched that this would happen.
I invested in Jawas and Droids for HAAT. Should I know demand a refund because there are better teams now? And you don't know that NS won't be good anymore. I'm sure they will still excel in P4 of STR
No because they didn’t change their mechanics they just got boost from the raid. It’s apples and oranges try again."SinisterSandman;c-1653814" wrote:
"BubbaFett;c-1653808" wrote:
"SinisterSandman;c-1653800" wrote:
So you're all saying that without the cheese you would never have invested in NS at all, despite this being a completionist game? And you're angry because they restored the completionist aspect to Zombie and made the game what it was supposed to be in the first place?
Not everyone plays the game as a completionist.... Some.of us play it as a strategist...
I can't speak for everyone else, but personally, I am angry that a multi million dollar company can't be bothered to take the time.to.design content that works as intended the first time out of the box and have to nerf it all to protect the integrity of a raid the majority of the player base despises... Which, in turn, causes players to lose their return on investment....
On top of this, we now.have to further invest in a new ability just to make the same toon almost as good as it was before.....
But you get to strategise again. So you just kinda got a jackpot change in that regard.
Yes but strategy requires resources and those resources where spent on bad information from the creators of the game. We should not have to pay for their mistakes."yohann269;c-1653772" wrote:
It's a choice they made, I invested heavily in Reaper and the pilots. Initially Reaper was not as good in ships 2.0. I still think it's a good ship and maxed it again. But at the time a lot of people were upset about that "nerf" It never crossed my mind to demand a refund because I maxed DT/Shore to help the ship. The NS faction is still super helpful in a lot of facets of the game.
that is the biggest problem with HT released they made all ships almost obsolete unless you are running bugs with HT you will have hell and who cares that you have 20 maxed ships because they made bugs + HT only viable ships. With other combinations you will have hell and will need to refresh and spend crystals for extra 5 battles at least once if not twice trying to take out maxed bugs/HT combo. And solution for that is as always rewards go to those spending the most, and nothing else matters. Spend and buy your way out.
And devs won't jump to tweak ships in 1 week like they did with traya/acolyte combo, or in this case with NS team for p3"DyloBin;c-1653761" wrote:
Here's the basic gist of the changes you will experience if you bump Zombie up to G10 for unlimited revives:
Sith Raid P3: Your scores will be more consistent, but with an added hurdle of some initial setup RNG. Which means an easier setup because your max score has more to do with the beginning of your run than the end of your run. So restarts will be clear right from the start. And by consistent I mean that your scores will be more based on how fast you can burn through the revives and start the train than it will be dependent on how lucky you get after Enrage hits. So, a lower score threshold, but more attached to playing and modding well than just hoping for good RNG throughout the run.
Sith Raid P4: Your scores should go up because a well-geared Zombie produced more consistent successes in this phase anyway. With the new revive mechanic and an additional source of team healing to fight the Bonds of Weakness and potentially activate Ventress leadership more, I see potential.
I use Nightsisters as my main teams for P3 and P4 of the Sith Raid (though I like using them for P4 more). I'm willing to give this a try because it just means going back to the drawing board and figuring out what ways to adapt my current strategy and achieve something better.
If you use them that much, you shouldn't have to try it. You should know from the description that it will infact not be easier set up for P3. Traya will have been enraged IF & when you get set up. For P4 she will hinder performance just as well. Bonds of weakness will destroy her unless kept way down as well as having to use Unbreakable will constanly as she wont eat annihilite. Without her ability to die & be revived you can no longer keep Nihilus's TM down with Daka, all Zeta abilities are now masked. Also she needs to be super fast, this is a major problem in p3 as it will set Traya off & almost always uses 2 turns during count down. They are useless"petersont79;c-1653756" wrote:
"Kiritoismyname;c-1653750" wrote:
Why are there so many people defending the ns cheese?
Tbh, i think the only people who are defending it are people with bad rosters who were cheesing their way to the top of hstr.
Most people who understand the game mechanics are loving this update, and absolutely hate the p3 team. (So much so that they have vowed to never use that cheesy team).
I'll say it again, great work CG. Love the update. I have all the resources for the cheese p3 team, but will never use it. Ever.
I agree with everything you said. This is a big Buff to the NS team, not a nerf. The P3 team was a cheap gimmick to begin with. Scores in P4 will be the same if not higher. Brings NS back into the Meta in arena. Good luck dealing with this team in TW. Imperial Troopers no longer wipes them out.
I don't know about everybody else, but I farmed NS to help my Guild"yohann269;c-1653762" wrote:
"Chewy88;c-1653754" wrote:
"yohann269;c-1653747" wrote:
"Chewy88;c-1653746" wrote:
"yohann269;c-1653739" wrote:
"Chewy88;c-1653724" wrote:
"yohann269;c-1653716" wrote:
"Artery;c-1653714" wrote:
Correct me if I’m wrong please but if ‘paper zombie teams will be unable to solo Nihilus in p4 of the HST’, how will ‘scores improve in p4’?
by gearing up Zombie of course :wink:
Nope they won’t improve. If you did good with a paper zombie you’ll do as good or (most likely) a lot worse. Expect your damage to be cut in half due to this and for the ns to still be useless in pvp
NS are not useless in PVP, they are great in TW and this update makes them tougher, on either Offense or Defense. It seems like most people commenting on this thread completely forget about all the other game modes that you can use NS. With this change the "zombie death cycle" in DSTB most likely won't happen. As with every other change we will need to learn and adapt to new strategies.
Ok I’m sorry they’ll maintain their usefulness in tw but will not have viability in arena. And they won’t be any better in tw than they were before. This is a nerf plain and simple.
I disagree, I think they will be a harder team to deal with in TW. I think they will be better in DSTB. I'm sure someone will figure out how to use MT/Zombie in Arena.
You can use them effectively in all these areas as is though so why say it changes them for the better. This isn’t an improvement in any of these areas it’s is either status quo or a dramatic downgrade. I can three star all of dstb with my current ns team and I get at least 2 defenses every time in tw. How is this mechanic and nerf going to improve that? Answer it won’t. It’ll make them worse.
I'm not sure what 3 star all of DSTB means. Are you in one of the top guilds that has achieved 48*s? Again I'm not sure where you are coming up with this change will make anything worse. It will require you to change your strategy that is all.
Or you can change yours! Sound fair Mr 48*?"Chewy88;c-1653818" wrote:
"SinisterSandman;c-1653806" wrote:
"Chewy88;c-1653802" wrote:
Those resources would have gone to a better faction if we knew months ago when the raid launched that this would happen.
Alright then, name a better faction than the new NS that you haven't already worked on.
The bh would have gotten the gear I put on asaj talzin and Daka
I doubt it, the BH rework hadn't been done at that point. Also curious which videos of updated NS game play you have watched that show the faction completely nerfed?- So is this update going live as of today (Wed 9/26)? I'd assume so since normally they don't release a kit update, or new kit, or new Marquee, until the day before or day of release. Also today is a Wednesday, and normally Updates go live between 3:30-5:30 PM MDT, so is it safe to say this will be live in between 4-6 hours from now? I'm also excited to finally be able to have nightsisters be viable again, so I can have a new faction to start working on, because i'm currently done with Empire for now, and need a new squad to gear up (other than BH's) so I can contribute more in TW and TB
"Chewy88;c-1653818" wrote:
"SinisterSandman;c-1653806" wrote:
"Chewy88;c-1653802" wrote:
Those resources would have gone to a better faction if we knew months ago when the raid launched that this would happen.
Alright then, name a better faction than the new NS that you haven't already worked on.
The bh would have gotten the gear I put on asaj talzin and Daka
Same! That is 5 freaking Zetas & tons of gear that would be useful other places rather than masked behind a toon that has been changed to seemingly & drastically masking their performance
