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"TorukMakto;c-1653822" wrote:
"yohann269;c-1653772" wrote:
It's a choice they made, I invested heavily in Reaper and the pilots. Initially Reaper was not as good in ships 2.0. I still think it's a good ship and maxed it again. But at the time a lot of people were upset about that "nerf" It never crossed my mind to demand a refund because I maxed DT/Shore to help the ship. The NS faction is still super helpful in a lot of facets of the game.
that is the biggest problem with HT released they made all ships almost obsolete unless you are running bugs with HT you will have hell and who cares that you have 20 maxed ships because they made bugs + HT only viable ships. With other combinations you will have hell and will need to refresh and spend crystals for extra 5 battles at least once if not twice trying to take out maxed bugs/HT combo. And solution for that is as always rewards go to those spending the most, and nothing else matters. Spend and buy your way out.
And devs won't jump to tweak ships in 1 week like they did with traya/acolyte combo, or in this case with NS team for p3
I don't run Bugs and do just fine in Fleet Arena. I don't refresh either. I can get into my position for payout with my 5 battles. You just need to invest in ships and understand how their abilities work together.- I think a lot of people complaining about P3 of HSTR are being a little bit disingenuous on the timeline here. The Paper Zombie nerf was announced back in July (they all but called it a nerf, clearly indicating she would be less useful in a lower geared state), but the "Death Storm" team was made popular in early to mid-August. Anyone complaining about gearing up NS for P3 only to be enraged by the change to the mechanic isn't being honest with themselves.
As for P4. Maybe we should wait and see a little bit. I personally think that the updates to her, including the multiple revives are going to turn NS into an unpleasant experience in PvP, as it's much more challenging to avoid starting the revive train. We shall see.
NS still seem like a quality faction for a lot of game modes, just might require a little more gear and a little more thought. There are not a lot of viable heroic tier toons at gear 10, she might be the first. "yohann269;c-1653829" wrote:
"Chewy88;c-1653818" wrote:
"SinisterSandman;c-1653806" wrote:
"Chewy88;c-1653802" wrote:
Those resources would have gone to a better faction if we knew months ago when the raid launched that this would happen.
Alright then, name a better faction than the new NS that you haven't already worked on.
The bh would have gotten the gear I put on asaj talzin and Daka
I doubt it, the BH rework hadn't been done at that point. Also curious which videos of updated NS game play you have watched that show the faction completely nerfed?
Bossk was out and they had added bounties two months after the sith raid launched if that had been know that they didn’t want us farming up ns I would have left them alone."Pan2218;c-1653828" wrote:
"yohann269;c-1653762" wrote:
"Chewy88;c-1653754" wrote:
"yohann269;c-1653747" wrote:
"Chewy88;c-1653746" wrote:
"yohann269;c-1653739" wrote:
"Chewy88;c-1653724" wrote:
"yohann269;c-1653716" wrote:
"Artery;c-1653714" wrote:
Correct me if I’m wrong please but if ‘paper zombie teams will be unable to solo Nihilus in p4 of the HST’, how will ‘scores improve in p4’?
by gearing up Zombie of course :wink:
Nope they won’t improve. If you did good with a paper zombie you’ll do as good or (most likely) a lot worse. Expect your damage to be cut in half due to this and for the ns to still be useless in pvp
NS are not useless in PVP, they are great in TW and this update makes them tougher, on either Offense or Defense. It seems like most people commenting on this thread completely forget about all the other game modes that you can use NS. With this change the "zombie death cycle" in DSTB most likely won't happen. As with every other change we will need to learn and adapt to new strategies.
Ok I’m sorry they’ll maintain their usefulness in tw but will not have viability in arena. And they won’t be any better in tw than they were before. This is a nerf plain and simple.
I disagree, I think they will be a harder team to deal with in TW. I think they will be better in DSTB. I'm sure someone will figure out how to use MT/Zombie in Arena.
You can use them effectively in all these areas as is though so why say it changes them for the better. This isn’t an improvement in any of these areas it’s is either status quo or a dramatic downgrade. I can three star all of dstb with my current ns team and I get at least 2 defenses every time in tw. How is this mechanic and nerf going to improve that? Answer it won’t. It’ll make them worse.
I'm not sure what 3 star all of DSTB means. Are you in one of the top guilds that has achieved 48*s? Again I'm not sure where you are coming up with this change will make anything worse. It will require you to change your strategy that is all.
Or you can change yours! Sound fair Mr 48*?
that's the plan. I geared up my Zombie from g8 to g10 yesterday. We will see if my NS runs improve."yohann269;c-1653812" wrote:
"Chewy88;c-1653802" wrote:
"SinisterSandman;c-1653800" wrote:
So you're all saying that without the cheese you would never have invested in NS at all, despite this being a completionist game? And you're angry because they restored the completionist aspect to Zombie and made the game what it was supposed to be in the first place?
So you have a g12 cup? This isn’t a completionist game it’s strategy game and a resource management game. Those resources would have gone to a better faction if we knew months ago when the raid launched that this would happen.
I invested in Jawas and Droids for HAAT. Should I know demand a refund because there are better teams now? And you don't know that NS won't be good anymore. I'm sure they will still excel in P4 of STR
Not even the same thing! Did your droids & Jawas get changed a year later? I didn't think so!"yohann269;c-1653842" wrote:
"Pan2218;c-1653828" wrote:
"yohann269;c-1653762" wrote:
"Chewy88;c-1653754" wrote:
"yohann269;c-1653747" wrote:
"Chewy88;c-1653746" wrote:
"yohann269;c-1653739" wrote:
"Chewy88;c-1653724" wrote:
"yohann269;c-1653716" wrote:
"Artery;c-1653714" wrote:
Correct me if I’m wrong please but if ‘paper zombie teams will be unable to solo Nihilus in p4 of the HST’, how will ‘scores improve in p4’?
by gearing up Zombie of course :wink:
Nope they won’t improve. If you did good with a paper zombie you’ll do as good or (most likely) a lot worse. Expect your damage to be cut in half due to this and for the ns to still be useless in pvp
NS are not useless in PVP, they are great in TW and this update makes them tougher, on either Offense or Defense. It seems like most people commenting on this thread completely forget about all the other game modes that you can use NS. With this change the "zombie death cycle" in DSTB most likely won't happen. As with every other change we will need to learn and adapt to new strategies.
Ok I’m sorry they’ll maintain their usefulness in tw but will not have viability in arena. And they won’t be any better in tw than they were before. This is a nerf plain and simple.
I disagree, I think they will be a harder team to deal with in TW. I think they will be better in DSTB. I'm sure someone will figure out how to use MT/Zombie in Arena.
You can use them effectively in all these areas as is though so why say it changes them for the better. This isn’t an improvement in any of these areas it’s is either status quo or a dramatic downgrade. I can three star all of dstb with my current ns team and I get at least 2 defenses every time in tw. How is this mechanic and nerf going to improve that? Answer it won’t. It’ll make them worse.
I'm not sure what 3 star all of DSTB means. Are you in one of the top guilds that has achieved 48*s? Again I'm not sure where you are coming up with this change will make anything worse. It will require you to change your strategy that is all.
Or you can change yours! Sound fair Mr 48*?
that's the plan. I geared up my Zombie from g8 to g10 yesterday. We will see if my NS runs improve.
It won’t get any better sorry you wasted the gear. And I misspoke my apologies. I don’t get three stars I complete all of the phases with my ns team comp as it currently stands.- The thought occurs, we all know problems happen. With the Paper Zombie, it's main problem is in SRT. If it didn't cause any problems there, this "fix" wouldn't have happened. The global "Fix" is just perpetuating the feeling that EA/CG will do as they please and the players be damned. A small consideration is handed out, and we are supposed to wag our collective tails and smile. Everyday more and more walk away from the game. All you (CG) had to do was alter the scripting in the effected areas of SRT and stop the Swarm. But ruining the concept in areas that do not matter is just mean spirited. CG, you have been weighed, you have been measured. And you have been found wanting. How many times do you think you can solve issues this way and we'll just smile and accept it? You know, if EA would take the time to listen to the players, they could break the 4 bil stalled annual revenues and add a lot to it, and be the gaming company, you USED to be.
"CG_TopHat;c-1653807" wrote:
"MmoProNick;c-1653313" wrote:
On behalf of the NS discord, I must ask, if a zombie with the -100% debuffs has speed up, will she still be able to take a turn?
She will still be at 0 speed and not take a turn.
That is an atrocious change"Chewy88;c-1653844" wrote:
"yohann269;c-1653842" wrote:
"Pan2218;c-1653828" wrote:
"yohann269;c-1653762" wrote:
"Chewy88;c-1653754" wrote:
"yohann269;c-1653747" wrote:
"Chewy88;c-1653746" wrote:
"yohann269;c-1653739" wrote:
"Chewy88;c-1653724" wrote:
"yohann269;c-1653716" wrote:
"Artery;c-1653714" wrote:
Correct me if I’m wrong please but if ‘paper zombie teams will be unable to solo Nihilus in p4 of the HST’, how will ‘scores improve in p4’?
by gearing up Zombie of course :wink:
Nope they won’t improve. If you did good with a paper zombie you’ll do as good or (most likely) a lot worse. Expect your damage to be cut in half due to this and for the ns to still be useless in pvp
NS are not useless in PVP, they are great in TW and this update makes them tougher, on either Offense or Defense. It seems like most people commenting on this thread completely forget about all the other game modes that you can use NS. With this change the "zombie death cycle" in DSTB most likely won't happen. As with every other change we will need to learn and adapt to new strategies.
Ok I’m sorry they’ll maintain their usefulness in tw but will not have viability in arena. And they won’t be any better in tw than they were before. This is a nerf plain and simple.
I disagree, I think they will be a harder team to deal with in TW. I think they will be better in DSTB. I'm sure someone will figure out how to use MT/Zombie in Arena.
You can use them effectively in all these areas as is though so why say it changes them for the better. This isn’t an improvement in any of these areas it’s is either status quo or a dramatic downgrade. I can three star all of dstb with my current ns team and I get at least 2 defenses every time in tw. How is this mechanic and nerf going to improve that? Answer it won’t. It’ll make them worse.
I'm not sure what 3 star all of DSTB means. Are you in one of the top guilds that has achieved 48*s? Again I'm not sure where you are coming up with this change will make anything worse. It will require you to change your strategy that is all.
Or you can change yours! Sound fair Mr 48*?
that's the plan. I geared up my Zombie from g8 to g10 yesterday. We will see if my NS runs improve.
It won’t get any better sorry you wasted the gear. And I misspoke my apologies. I don’t get three stars I complete all of the phases with my ns team comp as it currently stands.
again what sources are you using to confirm NS got nerfed? What game play have you watched?"yohann269;c-1653809" wrote:
"Chewy88;c-1653801" wrote:
"yohann269;c-1653798" wrote:
"Pan2218;c-1653790" wrote:
"StuffedEwok;c-1653648" wrote:
"Deedlit;c-1653060" wrote:
They should refund the gears too. Curious as to why no one mentioned how Talzin lead is **** now with the zombie nerf..
Fair enough. But first you have to return all the rewards you've gotten from using those characters.
Not even close! They have been farmed through the extenuating & exhausting grind of this game! Specifically MT any and all rewards are earned! What about the damage that JTR is able to apply, & all of the rewards from her. They nerfed her once already. This is simply not good buisness & every single thing should be returned. Roll them back to Marquee. You don't pull this garbage after a year.
the issue with Expose has been known since Finn got his zeta. They updated it and people adapted their strategy and I see plenty of 5-6 million P1 runs. The same thing is going to happen with NS. People will adapt and put up the same damage. It will just require a different strategy.
Yes that may have known that was an issue but didn’t feel it was necessary to fix until the str was launched. And the damage should have been higher saying you can to 5-6 when you did 8-10 is not a consolation it’s a slap in the face.
the players getting those 8-10 million runs pre Expose changes were replaying a lot. Smithie D said in his video that it took 10 hrs to get his run. the 5-6million runs currently are 1 try. I'm sure with multiple restarts you can get good RNG to get a higher score but to me only doing it once and getting 5 million damage is a great day.
5-6 million Damage wont be happening & I can assure you definitely not in one try
