Nightsister Zombie Rework: Begone Paper, Hello Fat [MEGA]

"Chewy88;c-1653754" wrote:

"yohann269;c-1653747" wrote:

"Chewy88;c-1653746" wrote:

"yohann269;c-1653739" wrote:

"Chewy88;c-1653724" wrote:

"yohann269;c-1653716" wrote:

"Artery;c-1653714" wrote:
Correct me if I’m wrong please but if ‘paper zombie teams will be unable to solo Nihilus in p4 of the HST’, how will ‘scores improve in p4’?

by gearing up Zombie of course :wink:

Nope they won’t improve. If you did good with a paper zombie you’ll do as good or (most likely) a lot worse. Expect your damage to be cut in half due to this and for the ns to still be useless in pvp

NS are not useless in PVP, they are great in TW and this update makes them tougher, on either Offense or Defense. It seems like most people commenting on this thread completely forget about all the other game modes that you can use NS. With this change the "zombie death cycle" in DSTB most likely won't happen. As with every other change we will need to learn and adapt to new strategies.

Ok I’m sorry they’ll maintain their usefulness in tw but will not have viability in arena. And they won’t be any better in tw than they were before. This is a nerf plain and simple.

I disagree, I think they will be a harder team to deal with in TW. I think they will be better in DSTB. I'm sure someone will figure out how to use MT/Zombie in Arena.

You can use them effectively in all these areas as is though so why say it changes them for the better. This isn’t an improvement in any of these areas it’s is either status quo or a dramatic downgrade. I can three star all of dstb with my current ns team and I get at least 2 defenses every time in tw. How is this mechanic and nerf going to improve that? Answer it won’t. It’ll make them worse.

I'm not sure what 3 star all of DSTB means. Are you in one of the top guilds that has achieved 48*s? Again I'm not sure where you are coming up with this change will make anything worse. It will require you to change your strategy that is all.

"petersont79;c-1653756" wrote:

"Kiritoismyname;c-1653750" wrote:
Why are there so many people defending the ns cheese?

Tbh, i think the only people who are defending it are people with bad rosters who were cheesing their way to the top of hstr.

Most people who understand the game mechanics are loving this update, and absolutely hate the p3 team. (So much so that they have vowed to never use that cheesy team).


I'll say it again, great work CG. Love the update. I have all the resources for the cheese p3 team, but will never use it. Ever.

I agree with everything you said. This is a big Buff to the NS team, not a nerf. The P3 team was a cheap gimmick to begin with. Scores in P4 will be the same if not higher. Brings NS back into the Meta in arena. Good luck dealing with this team in TW. Imperial Troopers no longer wipes them out.

It was not a cheese at all and if you’re gonna say it’s gonna totally eliminate a team and strategy then it is a nerf. Saying it’s not is lying and being dishonest just because it doesn’t effect you.

Although I would still like the option for a zeta refund for all NS toons (not gear, just zeta), I would like to point out that the new zombie unique at G10 will trigger two stacks for Asaaj unique zeta each time (for a total of four stacks) and also some other crazy stuff. Look at the following scenario:

If you are facing an NS team and you fracture or isolate zombie and try to take out another NS toon, the first TWO times you try to do this, the NS toon is DEFEATED but immediately REVIVES. Zombie is DEFEATED and immediately REVIVES.

What else happens when a toon is DEFEATED and REVIVED on Nightsister team? DAKA happens. Look at the Daka unique text:

When another ally is DEFEATED, Old Daka gains 50% TM and Chant of Resurrection cooldown is reduced by 1. When another ally is REVIVED while old Daka is active, REVIVED ally gains 20% TM, gains offense up and defense up for two turns. If you have the zeta, Daka gains +10% Max Health stacking.

So the first TWO times you defeat another NS toon, zombie is killed and immediately revived, gets 70% TM, offense up, defense up, gets the negative speed removed, the NS you defeated is immediately revived with 20% TM, a minor heal, offense up and defense up, but the kicker here is that Daka should then be GAINING 100% TM and have the chant of resurrection cooldown reduced BY TWO.

Also Asaaj unique will gain TWO stacks the first two times a non-zombie NS teammate is killed.

So when you kill ANY non-Zombie NS the first two times in a battle, you are giving Asaaj two stacks of boost, giving Daka 100% TM and reducing her heal cooldown by 2, plus all the other stuff I mentioned.

Well, its fair but i have to say... refunding daka zeta.... why not just refund zombie gear and drop everyone to no gear on her?

Path of least resistance and required no change

"ShaggyB;c-1653768" wrote:
Well, its fair but i have to say... refunding daka zeta.... why not just refund zombie gear and drop everyone to no gear on her?

Path of least resistance and required no change

Because it doesn't fix the problem long term. What are they gonna do when new players end up gearing zombie up because they didn't read the forums first and realize low gear is better? Are they gonna refund Zombie gear every few months?

"BubbaFett;c-1653757" wrote:

"yohann269;c-1653747" wrote:

"Chewy88;c-1653746" wrote:

"yohann269;c-1653739" wrote:

"Chewy88;c-1653724" wrote:

"yohann269;c-1653716" wrote:

"Artery;c-1653714" wrote:
Correct me if I’m wrong please but if ‘paper zombie teams will be unable to solo Nihilus in p4 of the HST’, how will ‘scores improve in p4’?

by gearing up Zombie of course :wink:

Nope they won’t improve. If you did good with a paper zombie you’ll do as good or (most likely) a lot worse. Expect your damage to be cut in half due to this and for the ns to still be useless in pvp

NS are not useless in PVP, they are great in TW and this update makes them tougher, on either Offense or Defense. It seems like most people commenting on this thread completely forget about all the other game modes that you can use NS. With this change the "zombie death cycle" in DSTB most likely won't happen. As with every other change we will need to learn and adapt to new strategies.

Ok I’m sorry they’ll maintain their usefulness in tw but will not have viability in arena. And they won’t be any better in tw than they were before. This is a nerf plain and simple.

I disagree, I think they will be a harder team to deal with in TW. I think they will be better in DSTB. I'm sure someone will figure out how to use MT/Zombie in Arena.

You are missing the bottom line..... People invested in this team solely for the fact that they did good damage in the Sith raid.... The raid predates the announcement that they were going to look at making changes by several months.... People invested in something and they will no longer be getting the same return on their investments..

Not to mention, the toon will now.need further investment.... as if having to up her gear now.to make her viable isn't enough, there is now a.nrw skill that is going to require purple mats, omegas and credits to use.... It's absolutely ridiculous....

It's a choice they made, I invested heavily in Reaper and the pilots. Initially Reaper was not as good in ships 2.0. I still think it's a good ship and maxed it again. But at the time a lot of people were upset about that "nerf" It never crossed my mind to demand a refund because I maxed DT/Shore to help the ship. The NS faction is still super helpful in a lot of facets of the game.

"Ruark_Icefire;c-1653771" wrote:

"ShaggyB;c-1653768" wrote:
Well, its fair but i have to say... refunding daka zeta.... why not just refund zombie gear and drop everyone to no gear on her?

Path of least resistance and required no change

Because it doesn't fix the problem long term. What are they gonna do when new players end up gearing zombie up because they didn't read the forums first and realize low gear is better? Are they gonna refund Zombie gear every few months?

Sure do it in october. Call it the halloween purge

In all seriousness. Zombie isnt the easiest toon to get early in the game. Id wager most would find a game changer video or a guild before getting to zombie unlock.


And they could always embrace it and eliminate higher gears

How about changing Zombie's gear so it only awards offensive stats + speed and none of the defensive? That way you don't even have to change his kit and gearing him up still makes him better.

Then you can just refund the existing gear.

"RawdSW;c-1653775" wrote:
How about changing Zombie's gear so it only awards offensive stats + speed and none of the defensive? That way you don't even have to change his kit and gearing him up still makes him better.

Then you can just refund the existing gear.

Or that. Then you get investment while maintaining it paper status. Perfect