Can we all please agree that after the first time a character drops (read - Released) from that point on there is no such thing as an induced "Panic Farm"? I'm so sick of people constantly saying that for Revan and Chewie. C'mon guys, it's not a panic farm if they were here 4 months ago, we all knew they were gonna be back in a few months. If you wanted them you shoulda been farming them. The only way it's a "panic farm" is if you chose not to farm the character til you heard they were coming back.
And Frankly, that's self inflicted. Stop acting like it's a Greed decision just cause you werent ready.
"Rogenhamen;c-1760670" wrote: I thought I was fine, happy to plug away at the OR thinking of how much fun it'll be when I get Revan. Now after learning Revan's coming back the 31st I'm not so sure. 164 shards to go on Mission, that's doable, right? It'll be a panic farm but it's doable... right?
Are you refreshing 3 times a day (300 crystals x 14 days = 4500 crystals, or about $30 in crystals)? You have roughtly 14 days, at an average of 10ish a day that's only 140ish... Might need to buy a 25 shipment (for 2000 crystals, roughly $15) or buy the $30 pack for 50 shards (plus 50 for big z for shard shop currency) and not have as much of a panic...
Or if there are those extra packs for 600 crystals, that's probably not really worth it cause its probably less return on investment than just shipments...
"Rogenhamen;c-1760670" wrote: I thought I was fine, happy to plug away at the OR thinking of how much fun it'll be when I get Revan. Now after learning Revan's coming back the 31st I'm not so sure. 164 shards to go on Mission, that's doable, right? It'll be a panic farm but it's doable... right?
Mathtime.
Assumptions, Revan's event will last 7 days, droprate is 0,333.
For me, I will have 12 days left for farming (today is excluded, the last day is hust a 9 hour window in thr morning).
12 days grant me the following amount of shards for Mission.
165 free energy per day. So we get 165/16/3*12=41,25 Mission shards by just using free energy within our 12 days window.
3 energy purchases for 100 crystals each grant us 360 energy. So we get 120*3/16/3*12=90 Mission shards for just using the 3 100 energy purchases. Together with the free shards, we already have 131,25 shards.
1 energy purchase for 200 crystals grants us additional 120 energy. So we get 120*1/16/3*12=30 Mission shards for jusing this fourth energy purchase. Together with the previous collected shards we will reach 161,25 shards.
So for 500 crystals for twelve days in form of cantina energy and including all free cantina energy, you will receive 161,25 crystals on average. This is slightly below your needed amount, therefore you will need to have a second 200 crystal refresh on two days to collect 5 more shards.
Side note: Energy refreshes for 200 are equally expensive as purchasing mission shards in shipments. Mission shards cost 80 crystals per shard in shipments. 200crystals result in 120 energy, 120/16/3=2,5 and 200/2,5=80.
I've been farming Revan daily for about 3-4 weeks. I'll come up short on Mission unless I spend real money. I won't so I'll wait. I've bought Marquee packs and bundles before but not anymore. Thought we'd get more than a week's notice from CG though. Very dissatisfying level of communication.
"SylForge006;d-193831" wrote: Can we all please agree that after the first time a character drops (read - Released) from that point on there is no such thing as an induced "Panic Farm"? I'm so sick of people constantly saying that for Revan and Chewie. C'mon guys, it's not a panic farm if they were here 4 months ago, we all knew they were gonna be back in a few months. If you wanted them you shoulda been farming them. The only way it's a "panic farm" is if you chose not to farm the character til you heard they were coming back.
And Frankly, that's self inflicted. Stop acting like it's a Greed decision just cause you werent ready.
/Rant
You had so many things in the world you could have cared about, and you chose this.
Are you refreshing 3 times a day (300 crystals x 14 days = 4500 crystals, or about $30 in crystals)? You have roughtly 14 days, at an average of 10ish a day that's only 140ish... Might need to buy a 25 shipment (for 2000 crystals, roughly $15) or buy the $30 pack for 50 shards (plus 50 for big z for shard shop currency) and not have as much of a panic...
I've been using natural energy since Revan first dropped to farm. Only about a week ago did I start using refreshes because I'd save my crystals and spend them on shards when they'd drop in shipments. I'm F2P and want to proudly keep it that way, however I enjoy what CG has put in my hands and feel they deserve some compensation so I might cave on spending.
"Morti;c-1760685" wrote:
Mathtime.
Your math looks solid, if a little daunting. My concern is if refreshes will be faster or saving for shards from shipments will be. That and my crystal income to make either option viable.
"Rogenhamen;c-1760766" wrote: Only about a week ago did I start using refreshes because I'd save my crystals and spend them on shards when they'd drop in shipments.
Shipments are twice as expensive as 100 crystal cantina refreshes.
Mission in shipments costs 80 crystals/shard.
Mission in cantina costs 40 crystals/shard for the first three refreshes each day.
100 crystals = 120 energy = 7.5 attempts @ 33% drop rate = 2.5 shards = 40 crystals/shard
Yes you could have gotten revan as FTP without panic farming... But that would have taking spending 700c a day as soon as the toons appeared on nodes... So finishing top In both arenas or having crystals saved. In either case as FTP you would need to commit early to finish the farm.
Same is true for dark revan.... If Bastila fallen is needed you need to be refreshing her node twice to finish her in time.
"Kyno;c-1760264" wrote: IMO, a panic farm is when you dont know what is going to be needed until shortly before the event.
If the toon has been around a while, it's hard to call it a panic farm. If the characters are known, but the release time is not, it's still not really a panic farm. You know exactly what to focus on, not having time or resources to do so, is not really in the devs control. New players start all the time, they cant hold a release to make sure everyone gets them the second time around.
But that's just me.
But panic farming has nothing to do with devs. It’s a personal experience. When you find yourself in a position where you need to farm a lot of shards in a short time to get what you want, you are in panic farm mode. The devs, the reasons you got there, whereas the requirements are known or not, have been in the game for a long time or not, all of this is 100% irrelevant to the state of affairs : you need a lot of shards, and it’s going to be a race against the clock.
If you need shards in a short amount of time, and you choose to panic that doesnt mean it is a panic farm, it means you are panicing because you were not ready. If you are panicing because you had no idea what to set up for and now have something thrown into your face that is a panic farm. It is a subtle difference but it is a difference IMO.
IMO, panic farm is a gaming practice that involves limited information until there is limited time. Anything else is just a personal issue due to when you started playing, or your income of resources that help you progress. Once the details are out there, and an event has passed for the first time, the panic is over, the planning begins.
Ok well personally i’m really not interested in nitpicking and playing around with words just for the sake of it so i’ll just disagree with op (and you) and have no problem with people talking about panic farming. I don’t see how pushing for revan now in panic mode after just getting jtr is less of a panic farm than pushing for him the first time around for those who didn’t have anything better to do. It’s the exact same thing that’s happening (counting days, crystals, making guesses and projections...), and the exact same feeling for the people finding themselves in the situation. That’s just my opinion of course.
Just because there is organized panic farming every power creep’s release does not mean it’s the only true panic farming.
Anything after the first release is not a panic farm. My absolutely 100% f2p ex-guildmate is ready for revan event. Sure, he gave up farming BH (chewie) for that, but as f2p u have to make choices.
Further, it was predicted that revan would be back in Jan-Mar. if they threw revan back early jan then sure, might still be considered a panic farm for f2p since it would be hardly 3 months since first release. But no, it’s end jan - u had almost 4 mths to do it.
"Emmant;c-1762097" wrote: The very reason they don’t disclose event dates is to control timing based on when they can produce most spending
But really, Jan’19 was the expected return of revan because he would be countered in 3rd week of Feb’19. It basically makes the relatively more f2p yet competitive players burn gear on revan to keep in the top, which in turn pressures the p2p or really really competitive f2p to panic farm (and pay for) the next meta. So, even if the more f2p players could get the anti-revan, they would have spent on gear for JKR in order to keep the crystal inflow for another 3 weeks, only to be disappointed later.
"Kyno;c-1760264" wrote: IMO, a panic farm is when you dont know what is going to be needed until shortly before the event.
If the toon has been around a while, it's hard to call it a panic farm. If the characters are known, but the release time is not, it's still not really a panic farm. You know exactly what to focus on, not having time or resources to do so, is not really in the devs control. New players start all the time, they cant hold a release to make sure everyone gets them the second time around.
But that's just me.
But panic farming has nothing to do with devs. It’s a personal experience. When you find yourself in a position where you need to farm a lot of shards in a short time to get what you want, you are in panic farm mode. The devs, the reasons you got there, whereas the requirements are known or not, have been in the game for a long time or not, all of this is 100% irrelevant to the state of affairs : you need a lot of shards, and it’s going to be a race against the clock.
If you need shards in a short amount of time, and you choose to panic that doesnt mean it is a panic farm, it means you are panicing because you were not ready. If you are panicing because you had no idea what to set up for and now have something thrown into your face that is a panic farm. It is a subtle difference but it is a difference IMO.
IMO, panic farm is a gaming practice that involves limited information until there is limited time. Anything else is just a personal issue due to when you started playing, or your income of resources that help you progress. Once the details are out there, and an event has passed for the first time, the panic is over, the planning begins.
Ok well personally i’m really not interested in nitpicking and playing around with words just for the sake of it so i’ll just disagree with op (and you) and have no problem with people talking about panic farming. I don’t see how pushing for revan now in panic mode after just getting jtr is less of a panic farm than pushing for him the first time around for those who didn’t have anything better to do. It’s the exact same thing that’s happening (counting days, crystals, making guesses and projections...), and the exact same feeling for the people finding themselves in the situation. That’s just my opinion of course.
Just because there is organized panic farming every power creep’s release does not mean it’s the only true panic farming.
Anything after the first release is not a panic farm. My absolutely 100% f2p ex-guildmate is ready for revan event. Sure, he gave up farming BH (chewie) for that, but as f2p u have to make choices.
Further, it was predicted that revan would be back in Jan-Mar. if they threw revan back early jan then sure, might still be considered a panic farm for f2p since it would be hardly 3 months since first release. But no, it’s end jan - u had almost 4 mths to do it.
As i said in my previous post to kyno i personally think everything you said is completely irrelevant to the fact that it’s a panic farm and explained further why. You seem to imply that you can’t panic in a situation if it’s your own choice that lead you there in the first place. I very strongly disagree with that. In fact i think it doesn’t make any sense.
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