it's in the title.Phoenix Squad.Am i the only one who want to just buy this pack and then auto all the battles?No because it's just impossible to win with a full zeta team vs this stupid low iq phoenix lvl 70 6 star team btw.They auto-attack all together each turn, reduce the turn meter, gain back their life AND shield ?????????????????????I mean, what's even the point playing something else than this stupid team?I'm getting so mad, especialy in PVP, make no sense to play anything else, the leader board is filled with this trash stupid low iq compWhen a fix? When a nerf? When something, please, i beg you, make empire great again.

GP isn't nearly as important as matchup knowledge. If you go into the desert with a fish and expect it to do well, you're going to have a bad time.Phoenix, as always, gets hurt by daze. The addition of Rex just made daze even better against them.Like most teams, they don't like buff immunity, healing immunity, shock, or blind.There are plenty of options to beat them.They are not toxic, they just have swarm synergy which exists with many other teams (Geos, Moth Rebels, even Imp Troopers).If you're in a position where you get this upset to a team like Phoenix, this might not be the game for you. There are far worse monsters out there (like Malgus).

There's really no reason to nerf Phoenix when they just buffed the squad with Captain Rex's inclusion. Does that make it a very strong early game team? Yes. Are there still tons of free to play non-GL teams that beat it? Also yes. Attached is a screenshot from the SWGOH.gg counters page. I used a 'non GL' filter and all these are perfectly reasonable teams to be working towards in the early game that also have a 100% win rate against Phoenix. GL Sith Eternal Emperor is also a 2 man 100% win rate if that happens to be your first GL farm since his requirements dovetail with many other early game legendary and fleet farms. It would also be helpful to give context rather than just complain. What team are you running? What are you farming/working towards? This game isn't CoD where you cue up every match able to beat anything. You need to have a long term plan and work towards it, farm and use appropriate mods, etc.

I was going to reply to your original post, seeing as Phoenix has been my main team since I started and just upgraded with an awesome lvl 9 datacron that's completely busted, but still know what teams never to try my luck against (Padme being the single most powerful phoenix stopper and available extremely early game) as well as its extensive limitations. But now you've posted this, I think you just misunderstand how the game works entirely.Stop looking at GP. It's a number that just represents the completion level of your team's progress. It has very little to do with how you'll perform against another team. It's practically (not entirely, but almost) irrelevant when deciding who wins a match. The entire game is based on team mechanics. If a team hard counters the one you're using, you need to use a team that hard counters THEIR mechanics. You're just making yourself look silly by complaining about your ignorance of how the game works. Listen to other people here and follow their recommendations. Aside from GL's, any given team can only take on a certain fraction of other teams in the game successfully due to mechanics, so you are bound to run into more teams that your one team can't handle properly than ones you can easily beat. It gets worse as you get later into the game and more team mechanics are unlocked via zetas and omicrons etc. Develop your roster so you have teams to handle every situation rather than being a complete derp and trying to beat teams that completely counter you and then complaining about your lack of skill on a forum.TLDR; learn about how the game works rather than complaining that you missed the point of the game entirely.

What?Are you talking about facing them in conquest?Playing them where?Phoenix is rather easy to beat. Maybe explain yourself better.

He's either too young to understand or intentionally trolling.Let him post to himself and move on. He is actively choosing to not read kits and is now complaining about Fives' Sacrifice ability. This ability is in as plain of English as possible.

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WookieWookie2E
New Scout
3 months ago
There's really no reason to nerf Phoenix when they just buffed the squad with Captain Rex's inclusion. Does that make it a very strong early game team? Yes. Are there still tons of free to play non-GL teams that beat it? Also yes.
Attached is a screenshot from the SWGOH.gg counters page. I used a 'non GL' filter and all these are perfectly reasonable teams to be working towards in the early game that also have a 100% win rate against Phoenix. GL Sith Eternal Emperor is also a 2 man 100% win rate if that happens to be your first GL farm since his requirements dovetail with many other early game legendary and fleet farms.
It would also be helpful to give context rather than just complain. What team are you running? What are you farming/working towards? This game isn't CoD where you cue up every match able to beat anything. You need to have a long term plan and work towards it, farm and use appropriate mods, etc.
Magruffin
New Traveler
3 months ago
What?
Are you talking about facing them in conquest?
Playing them where?
Phoenix is rather easy to beat. Maybe explain yourself better.
- Doomstreaker
  New Novice
  3 months ago
  Yes i'm talking about facing them.
  
  Mainly in PVP In the Arena
  
  If for you it's easy to kill, congratz, but the reality is that it is not easy to beat them.
  
  it's toxic and not balanced, period, you must be blind to not see it.
  
  Go face a Phoenix squad with the same galactic power than your oponent and you will see how badly your team will end.
  - OfTheVeilGaming
    Rising Traveler
    3 months ago
    GP isn't nearly as important as matchup knowledge. If you go into the desert with a fish and expect it to do well, you're going to have a bad time.
    Phoenix, as always, gets hurt by daze. The addition of Rex just made daze even better against them.
    Like most teams, they don't like buff immunity, healing immunity, shock, or blind.
    There are plenty of options to beat them.
    They are not toxic, they just have swarm synergy which exists with many other teams (Geos, Moth Rebels, even Imp Troopers).
    If you're in a position where you get this upset to a team like Phoenix, this might not be the game for you. There are far worse monsters out there (like Malgus).
4dqv2etcra6x
Seasoned Adventurer
3 months ago
Vader is definitely a good thing to start with. Level him up to 12 and he will be a powerful attacker. Phoenix is a squad that is relatively easy to farm for early players and it can do wonders with Rex in Grand arena. Just wait till you encounter Rex omis in GA. They are a real headache sometimes. Farming them is really important and you must add Rex. It can boost your roster throughout your gaming experience
Doomstreaker
New Novice
3 months ago
U are living on a different planet.

1st screen, power difference, yet, they beat me.
They are maxed 8 star but with **bleep** gear, no or **bleep** mods, no or **bleep** upgrade on their abilities.

Next screen, all his team had trash mods lvl 1 like that.

Next screen, my team.

So a basic duel against that team is :

vador play 1st, i do damage, they lose their shields, some go to 60% hp around there.
Then it's their turn.
They go back to full life and destroy my whole team, turn 2.

Gg.

stop being silly, this is dumb af.
- WookieWookie2E
  New Scout
  3 months ago
  GP is only an approximation of power. Darth Bane and Sith Assassin can 2 man a 5-man GL Leia Organa squad which would probably be 3x the GP of Bane's 2 man.
ScoundrelRui01
New Adventurer
3 months ago
What is your ally code? We can look at your roster and see if you have a better counter to phoenix.
Also, your mods need to be at level 15 to get set bonuses (when the lines change from blue to orange, you get a boost)
- Doomstreaker
  New Novice
  3 months ago
  Sure !
  
  But their mods are lvl 1 dude xD ..........
  
  I just did another fight this morning, since ALL the arena encounter are Phoenix team btw, and i managed to 1 tap one of their phoenix allies. Lucky crit with vador, but then it was over, even with 1 member of their team down.
  
  My ally code is : 258-321-647 "Doomstreaker"
  - rayloc420
    New Traveler
    3 months ago
    can't see your info but at a glance, it's just not a very strong team to take on a rex/phoenix. with no rex, yes. but you really don't have anything on your Empire team to stop the onslaught.
    it's often strategy over galactic power. for example, a lower gear sith trio can often beat a full team of 5 geos. a single wampa (omnicron) can sometimes beat gas, grievous , and other teams. low gear gungans or iden can slaughter some relic teams. in every case, there's a huge gp difference. it's a matter of countering abilities. like Pokémon lol a water creature could probably beat a stronger fire monster (I'm not a poke expert)
    it allows for variety. that way the same teams don't dominate every single mode like tb,tw,gac, etc.
    I do understand your frustration. I'm a lil under 12 mil gp. I could not imagine starting over with limited team options and long grinds just for one team. unless you whale or become super efficient those are just the dues.
    I sometimes lose to much lower Gp's because they outplay me on defense. but usually because rngeezus abandons me
ScoundrelRui01
New Adventurer
3 months ago
Might be a case where if you can't beat 'em, join 'em. With Captain Rex in the game, gearing up phoenix isn't a waste of resources, because they are now a useful end game team. I left mine at G9-G10 after I unlocked Thrawn because there were better options, but Rex changed that.
Doomstreaker
New Novice
3 months ago
In conclusion, i'm still right about the fact that Phoenix squad is a verry OP squad.

it's not like any other squad, with this squad, the auto-mode computer can just decimate you in a single turn.

I get the "strategy over GP" but in the end, the computer himself, without even playing proprely the mechanics around the phoenix squad, can still 1 turn you because of the stupid infinite counters and all squad attacking at same time each turn and the others perks they have wich make them so strong.

There is no other easy squad to take in hand like them who can decimate content so early ( even end game apparently as you said. )

So imo, they still need a nerf.

Maybe reduce the amount of health / shield they gain back or reduce the chance of the counters, idk, but right now it's a joke.

every new player will face this, and if they dont buy a Phoenix squad pack, they just will get slaughter like i was.

They will not be able to enjoy PVP content any further because of that, and it's a sad thing.
- chpMINIsolo
  Seasoned Hotshot
  3 months ago
  You're not correct. If you know what you are doing & know how to use counters, they are not OP.
  Also, learn how to play & not just auto attack
  - OfTheVeilGaming
    Rising Traveler
    3 months ago
    He doesn't want help.
    He just wants to complain on the forums. Trying to use a team without Daze and made up of old characters to beat one of the shiny new things will never go well in this game.
    You are right though. He's wrong. He is complaining about not being able to chop down the mightiest tree in the forest with a herring. Use a chainsaw (daze).
Doomstreaker
New Novice
3 months ago
Guess who's there again.

Rex.

Now i'm facing another invincible comp that when i kill one, he just go back to full health and shield.

impossible do kill.

nice design.
- Skyryser
  Rising Traveler
  3 months ago
  I was going to reply to your original post, seeing as Phoenix has been my main team since I started and just upgraded with an awesome lvl 9 datacron that's completely busted, but still know what teams never to try my luck against (Padme being the single most powerful phoenix stopper and available extremely early game) as well as its extensive limitations. But now you've posted this, I think you just misunderstand how the game works entirely.
  Stop looking at GP. It's a number that just represents the completion level of your team's progress. It has very little to do with how you'll perform against another team. It's practically (not entirely, but almost) irrelevant when deciding who wins a match. The entire game is based on team mechanics. If a team hard counters the one you're using, you need to use a team that hard counters THEIR mechanics. You're just making yourself look silly by complaining about your ignorance of how the game works. Listen to other people here and follow their recommendations. Aside from GL's, any given team can only take on a certain fraction of other teams in the game successfully due to mechanics, so you are bound to run into more teams that your one team can't handle properly than ones you can easily beat. It gets worse as you get later into the game and more team mechanics are unlocked via zetas and omicrons etc. Develop your roster so you have teams to handle every situation rather than being a complete derp and trying to beat teams that completely counter you and then complaining about your lack of skill on a forum.
  
  TLDR; learn about how the game works rather than complaining that you missed the point of the game entirely.
- chpMINIsolo
  Seasoned Hotshot
  3 months ago
  I’m guessing you haven’t tried anything suggested
  - OfTheVeilGaming
    Rising Traveler
    3 months ago
    He's either too young to understand or intentionally trolling.
    Let him post to himself and move on. He is actively choosing to not read kits and is now complaining about Fives' Sacrifice ability. This ability is in as plain of English as possible.
DarthJobbie
Seasoned Traveler
3 months ago
Thats the best advice above. Forget gp. Gp doesnt relate to efficiency etc

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