So I call a game Dragon Ball Z when it revolves around endless cycles of power increases. New content? Nope, you gotta get +100 on all your stats first. New char or boss? Nope, you gotta get +100 on your stats, then when you get that new char, you're untouchable until the next bigger and badder one comes along. Most of us prefer rock paper scissors. New content? Use a different synergy you didn't think of before. New bad guy? He tears through my team, but there's another team that can take him (though they tend to be vulnerable to my team).So General Grievous. Great idea thus far, except you mixed rock paper scissors with Dragon Ball Z. He has straight up more dmg than anyone regardless of killing his own team. I'd rather do the following. Remove his ability to lower max health of enemies, and lower turn meter from light instead of dark, lower potency of dark instead of light. Light relies on turn meter for their engine, dark relies on potency for their debuff engine. Or something less straight up power increase, and more rock paper scissors. Great start though, very much like the movies and cartoons!

Here's the problem: You can only do rock-paper-scissors for so long before things get stale. How many teams do you realistically think they could crank out that are roughly equivalent to each other, yet all have distinct, unique kits? At some point they have to just make all the numbers bigger and let somebody dominate until the new "power level" is filled out.

"Jarvind;c-1779723" wrote:Here's the problem: You can only do rock-paper-scissors for so long before things get stale. How many teams do you realistically think they could crank out that are roughly equivalent to each other, yet all have distinct, unique kits? At some point they have to just make all the numbers bigger and let somebody dominate until the new "power level" is filled out.Sorry, I disagree. And also think you are presuming that the meta jumps are unavoidable. There are literally over a dozen factions that it would be possible to tweak to keep more balanced. CG manipulates the meta purposefully, in order to create "artificial" demand for the newest, most OP characters/ships. They haven't spent 3+ years trying to balance the game. If it took them that long, that would make them completely inept morons. No, they manipulate the meta (and keep it unbalanced) by design. If you really think they can't figure out how to make BH, Clones, droids, Empire, Ewoks, Troopers, Jedi, Sith, First Order, Nightsisters, Scoundrels, Phoenix, Rebels, etc. each relatively comparable, how do you think they design the various events for specific factions, groups or the bonuses for them in special game modes?The big concern is that in the last 18 months, CG has been far more aggressive in the meta-manipulation game than they had previously. While that seems like an easier way to "force" spending, it also seems like a faster way to guarantee player burnout (especially when they realize they are being lead around by the throat) and ultimately, the game's demise.

"Vos_Landeck;c-1779864" wrote:If new characters aren't more powerful, then no one will spend money on them.....no one spends money, there is no game. Power creep is fine. No one if arguing that. But there is a difference between power creep and power "jumps". The last 18 months has been almost exclusively the latter, not the former.I also think it's worth noting that this is Star Wars. People would have spent on Revan even if his kit was not so crazy OP. They did it when GMYoda was first released. If CG would simply release characters and ships players desire with interesting kits that are competitive (even with some power creep), there would be more than sufficient income in the game. The problem with the power jump model, is that a player only does that once or twice before they realize they are being taken advantage of. They lose interest and leave - or worse...stop spending, but then hang around and warn their guildmates or forum friends or buddies on reddit not to spend due to this practice. The disappointing thing about this "power jump" model is that CG wasn't always this aggressive about it. There was a time in the game's history where players felt that had real options as far as resource spending. For many it is now simply: save until CG releases the newest, OP character, then dump into that character. Then start saving for the next one. Repeat. THAT is boring - and certainly doesn't encourage spending. I spent more money in the first 6 months I played this game than in the last 18 months combined. The above practice of the last 18 months is precisely why. Star Wars kept me as a player, but CG has lost me as a customer.

"Roopehunter;c-1779866" wrote:I prefer power creep over rock paper scissors.You wanna be the best? Get the best team. I can't wait until we finally get to the character that at G12, with his unique zeta'd just instantly wins the match, since all the abilities introduced in the months before that are so long that you need to download a separate book to even read them and there's no other way to topple them.

"SamuraiUX;c-1779887" wrote:Don't ever complain about anything on here. People will attack you viciously, I've learned. You must like and agree with everything EA is doing. You have been warned.haha, try complimenting ea/cg to see if you won't get attacked viciously.

Please stop the Dragon Ball Z power creep, we want rock paper scissors

Vaderizer
Seasoned Newcomer
6 years ago
Here's the problem: You can only do rock-paper-scissors for so long before things get stale. How many teams do you realistically think they could crank out that are roughly equivalent to each other, yet all have distinct, unique kits? At some point they have to just make all the numbers bigger and let somebody dominate until the new "power level" is filled out.
Nikoms565
6 years ago
"Jarvind;c-1779723" wrote:
Here's the problem: You can only do rock-paper-scissors for so long before things get stale. How many teams do you realistically think they could crank out that are roughly equivalent to each other, yet all have distinct, unique kits? At some point they have to just make all the numbers bigger and let somebody dominate until the new "power level" is filled out.

Sorry, I disagree. And also think you are presuming that the meta jumps are unavoidable. There are literally over a dozen factions that it would be possible to tweak to keep more balanced. CG manipulates the meta purposefully, in order to create "artificial" demand for the newest, most OP characters/ships.

They haven't spent 3+ years trying to balance the game. If it took them that long, that would make them completely inept morons. No, they manipulate the meta (and keep it unbalanced) by design. If you really think they can't figure out how to make BH, Clones, droids, Empire, Ewoks, Troopers, Jedi, Sith, First Order, Nightsisters, Scoundrels, Phoenix, Rebels, etc. each relatively comparable, how do you think they design the various events for specific factions, groups or the bonuses for them in special game modes?

The big concern is that in the last 18 months, CG has been far more aggressive in the meta-manipulation game than they had previously. While that seems like an easier way to "force" spending, it also seems like a faster way to guarantee player burnout (especially when they realize they are being lead around by the throat) and ultimately, the game's demise.
Nikoms565
6 years ago

"Vos_Landeck;c-1779864" wrote:
If new characters aren't more powerful, then no one will spend money on them.....no one spends money, there is no game.

Power creep is fine. No one if arguing that. But there is a difference between power creep and power "jumps". The last 18 months has been almost exclusively the latter, not the former.

I also think it's worth noting that this is Star Wars. People would have spent on Revan even if his kit was not so crazy OP. They did it when GMYoda was first released. If CG would simply release characters and ships players desire with interesting kits that are competitive (even with some power creep), there would be more than sufficient income in the game.

The problem with the power jump model, is that a player only does that once or twice before they realize they are being taken advantage of. They lose interest and leave - or worse...stop spending, but then hang around and warn their guildmates or forum friends or buddies on reddit not to spend due to this practice. The disappointing thing about this "power jump" model is that CG wasn't always this aggressive about it. There was a time in the game's history where players felt that had real options as far as resource spending. For many it is now simply: save until CG releases the newest, OP character, then dump into that character. Then start saving for the next one. Repeat. THAT is boring - and certainly doesn't encourage spending.

I spent more money in the first 6 months I played this game than in the last 18 months combined. The above practice of the last 18 months is precisely why. Star Wars kept me as a player, but CG has lost me as a customer.
RSithLord
6 years ago
"Roopehunter;c-1779866" wrote:
I prefer power creep over rock paper scissors.
You wanna be the best? Get the best team.

I can't wait until we finally get to the character that at G12, with his unique zeta'd just instantly wins the match, since all the abilities introduced in the months before that are so long that you need to download a separate book to even read them and there's no other way to topple them.
emvedebe
6 years ago
"SamuraiUX;c-1779887" wrote:
Don't ever complain about anything on here. People will attack you viciously, I've learned. You must like and agree with everything EA is doing. You have been warned.

haha, try complimenting ea/cg to see if you won't get attacked viciously.
Da_Bauers
New Spectator
6 years ago
@Nikoms565 both very excellent posts and very much the reason why I refuse to open the wallet and meta jump. I enjoy the game but don't want it to become a "job".
ARC-CaptainRex
6 years ago
Came here to give my 2 cents but Nikom already said everything so perfectly. :)
SamuraiUX
6 years ago
Agree with @Nikoms565 as well. I don't have JTR, I don't have 3PO, I don't have Traya, and I don't have Revan. I'm not trying to get them. I'm perfectly happy working on who I want to work on, and I have 3.4 million GP, so I'm not a total sucker. But I'm quickly losing interest in following the meta and buying my way into power jumping characters. As a matter of fact, I stopped using my zBastila team and started fighting arena with a bunch of fun, weirdly synergistic teams... I dropped from the 70s to the 500s in arena and I haven't been this relaxed in a long time. It's much more fun trying win on strategy and interesting team combos than on whether or not my exact same team as everyone else's has 300 speed or only 290 speed.

EA is definitely approaching this wrong, but I'm still enjoying myself by ignoring them and their marching orders, so I'm'a stick around for now.
MKIceman
Rising Newcomer
6 years ago
No you don't have to. Ever played Guild Wars or Guild Wars 2, vs something like WoW? Just require new synergy which can come from new releases.

This re- work is a case in point, it's a re work to create synergy where it didn't previously exist. The power increase only happened because of Revan's power increase.
emvedebe
6 years ago
"MKIceman;c-1779725" wrote:
No you don't have to. Ever played Guild Wars or Guild Wars 2, vs something like WoW? Just require new synergy which can come from new releases.

This re- work is a case in point, it's a re work to create synergy where it didn't previously exist. The power increase only happened because of Revan's power increase.

i thought it was the synergy that made revan teams this good?