The text for the Clan Mother pack reads: "Each pack guarantees at least 5 shards for Mother Talzin, and may drop up to 330 shards! Possible shard drops include: 5, 7, 10, 12, 15, 20, 25, 50, 80, 145, 230, 330."I would've been happy with anything from 25 - 330 shards and disgusted with anything from 5 - 20 shards. I guessed that made my probability about 50/50 (6 of the outcomes were positive, 6 negative). My mistake was assuming the probability of all possible outcomes were equal.My results across five id.i.ot.ic purchases were: 10, 10, 7, 5, 5. Had the probabilities for all outcomes been equal, the probability of getting two tens in a row, for example, would've been 1/12 * 1/12 = 1/144. Same with getting those two fives. The probability of getting only outcomes in the "undesirable" half would be 1/2 to the 5th power, or 1/32. My conclusion is that while not explicitly stated, there is not an equal probability of all outcomes. Rather it is like pulling a slot machine: the 'better' outcomes are clearly less probable. Pulling slot machines are addictive. I'm a d.um.my for doing it five times. That's my bad. EA is using "Dark UX" successfully, which is a moral grey area - but they're hardly the only ones doing it in mobile gaming. I'm no whale, I shouldn't try. Don't do it, dude.

One of the benefits of reading the forum, this is well known. Packs are not your friend unless you're willing to spend enormous (imo) amounts of money.

Well, it used to be 5-33 shards....until they added the zero after 33 to make it more worth your while.

$99.99 should get you a 7* marquee toon, geared to 9-11(there is your random factor), 85lvl, with all but a zeta ability finished, anything else is disgusting greed. Oh and a completed mod set.

"Ceodoc;c-1339318" wrote:$99.99 should get you a 7* marquee toon, geared to 9-11(there is your random factor), 85lvl, with all but a zeta ability finished, anything else is disgusting greed. Oh and a completed mod set.What? 99? It is ridicolous. I think You mean 5 $..... Everything above is a joke.

Well this is simple.When you play this game you are either rich or constantly frustrated. That is how they care about their player base.Another 2 characters we cannot use unless we spend 300 dollars on them to reach 7 stars now. We were not given anything today as we can't use these characters in arena nor raids. Useless indeed.

Probability and the Terrible Idea of Purchasing

emvedebe
8 years ago
"freshprince19888;c-1339427" wrote:
Thievery, pure and simple. I really want to spend money but the value is so insultingly low that I just can't.

Doesn't that make it the exact opposite of thievery?
bearrp3
8 years ago
https://youtu.be/lPdQwSXZlvU
Player_kp62pipq
8 years ago
My Qoute "Use the Force (insert your name) Stay on target and Avoid the packs you must towards the path if the broke side it will lead you. All ready have you want you need. Just play the game and have fun at it. Sign William501
skuddee
8 years ago
"Gawejn;c-1339321" wrote:
"Ceodoc;c-1339318" wrote:
$99.99 should get you a 7* marquee toon, geared to 9-11(there is your random factor), 85lvl, with all but a zeta ability finished, anything else is disgusting greed. Oh and a completed mod set.

What? 99? It is ridicolous. I think You mean 5 $..... Everything above is a joke.

You may think it's a joke, but some of us don't. Its not really if you take in to account the amount of time saved in that value proposition.
If given a bunch of Google play credits for like birthdays or Christmas or something, and I have them saved up, I would INSTANTLY purchase that. Good commission check and a good toon comes out? I'd seriously consider for that price. Like probably 75% chance of me pulling the trigger on that kind of deal.

What I'm buying is months of my time to enjoy a character now. Gear 9-11 is great, because I get the thrill of maybe getting a g11 toon. Max level is nice because I don't have to spend my hard earned credits. No worries about farming all the bull crap gears to get them that first bit. And abilities up to Omega level short of zeta is actually really nice. Saves me weeks of farming omegas. Which frees up my omegas for someone else. And frees up gear for someone else. The mod set would be nice for the price. Like a "this is what we suggest you use" set. Have that be random between blue and orange. So at least it'll upgrade decently even if it ends up being a kind of crummy mod.

I think that model would be wildly successful and encourage a LOT more people to spend it.

@Ceodoc this is a good idea.
skuddee
8 years ago
"CaptSpaulding;c-1339668" wrote:
https://youtu.be/lPdQwSXZlvU

This is glorious
tvsfrink
8 years ago
"TheDarthKnight;c-1339313" wrote:
I feel it should be at least a 50% chance to get 20 or less and 50% to get above that. That would be more fair

Fair ain't got nothin' to do with it.
TRA_Lord_Empero
8 years ago
"Gawejn;c-1339321" wrote:
"Ceodoc;c-1339318" wrote:
$99.99 should get you a 7* marquee toon, geared to 9-11(there is your random factor), 85lvl, with all but a zeta ability finished, anything else is disgusting greed. Oh and a completed mod set.

What? 99? It is ridicolous. I think You mean 5 $..... Everything above is a joke.

This. The fact that EA has successfully warped players perception to the point that someone would propose $495 for a squad of characters in a mobile game is "fair" is disgusting.
AnanasInCanada
New Spectator
7 years ago
"Skuddy;c-1339860" wrote:
"Gawejn;c-1339321" wrote:
"Ceodoc;c-1339318" wrote:
$99.99 should get you a 7* marquee toon, geared to 9-11(there is your random factor), 85lvl, with all but a zeta ability finished, anything else is disgusting greed. Oh and a completed mod set.

What? 99? It is ridicolous. I think You mean 5 $..... Everything above is a joke.

You may think it's a joke, but some of us don't. Its not really if you take in to account the amount of time saved in that value proposition.
If given a bunch of Google play credits for like birthdays or Christmas or something, and I have them saved up, I would INSTANTLY purchase that. Good commission check and a good toon comes out? I'd seriously consider for that price. Like probably 75% chance of me pulling the trigger on that kind of deal.

What I'm buying is months of my time to enjoy a character now. Gear 9-11 is great, because I get the thrill of maybe getting a g11 toon. Max level is nice because I don't have to spend my hard earned credits. No worries about farming all the bull **** gears to get them that first bit. And abilities up to Omega level short of zeta is actually really nice. Saves me weeks of farming omegas. Which frees up my omegas for someone else. And frees up gear for someone else. The mod set would be nice for the price. Like a "this is what we suggest you use" set. Have that be random between blue and orange. So at least it'll upgrade decently even if it ends up being a kind of crummy mod.

I think that model would be wildly successful and encourage a LOT more people to spend it.

@Ceodoc this is a good idea.

Just curious - not being judgmental. In your example you are given the Google Play credits. What if you were given $99 in cash instead. Do you still by the bundle?
Ceodoc
7 years ago
"Gawejn;c-1339321" wrote:
"Ceodoc;c-1339318" wrote:
$99.99 should get you a 7* marquee toon, geared to 9-11(there is your random factor), 85lvl, with all but a zeta ability finished, anything else is disgusting greed. Oh and a completed mod set.

What? 99? It is ridicolous. I think You mean 5 $..... Everything above is a joke.

Have you any idea how much a luxury yacht berth costs at Martha's?!!
Ceodoc
7 years ago
I posted the idea because I understand the need to make profits.
My issue is about value, and as we have seen in other Galaxies not so far away the last few days, it is too much greed.
$99.99 is a lot of money for 1 single toon, even if it is geared and ready to play, but we have a price point of circa $350 to just unlock at 7* Lvl1 and naked!
Yeah right!