Proof Armor has increased.

"LastJedi;603562" wrote:
Against low armor targets, it won't be a big difference. I think you will see a difference in the long run and in your rank. I think standard droid team will still be ok on offense, but will have to avoid certain teams, now. And be more vulnerable on defense. Right, now I'm expecting to still make top five for the short term, but it might take a refresh to do it. Starting farther back and potentially losing some of the battles on offense that used to be a sure thing. And having to take on some more difficult battles.

In a month, when the defense mod craze sets in and new squad combos come out of this, all bets are off.

+1

"Ultra;604249" wrote:
wait am i understanding this correctly? Increased armor is bad? Isn't higher armor a good thing since you receive less damage?

The issue most people have with this "update" (if it is intentional) is that it doesn't benefit all characters equally. Only those that have high armor numbers to begin with. The problem with this is twofold:

1) The game has functionally changed instantly for everyone. Characters that were not particularly good are now vital and characters that were good (some of which are p2p) are now fairly insignificant. This aspect is made worse by the fact that there was ZERO communication in this issue. Many found out (and lost arena ranks and battles) on the fly.

2) This also makes battles take much longer and GW significantly harder (there are people in my guild who have completed GW for months, who were stopped cold as early as node 9 or 10 with this change).

So no, it doesn't have to do with less damage (or wanting more damage or to see "big numbers") - it has to do with the instant and completely stealth manner in which the game was altered significantly.

"Ultra;604249" wrote:
wait am i understanding this correctly? Increased armor is bad? Isn't higher armor a good thing since you receive less damage?

For the purposes of balancing it's not a bad thing but a flat increase to everyone, or % because I'm not sure how this was done across the board is not a good move, unless there is a reason. Attack and defense had a fair balance to just raise one doesn't make sense.

If this sticks there could be a possible timeout team in arena, meaning a team that with mods and an naturally high armor and or dodge will not be beatable in 5 mins. Not sure it is possible but when you only raise defense only and across the board you open this door.

Yep my droids have seemed a lot weaker since update, something is up! I was excited for this update to fix bugs but of course for every problem the Dev Team fixes 20 more appear. This games has more bugs than a cheap New York apartment.

"Ing256;604384" wrote:
It's probably not intended to be like that, but will they be able to fix it? Fix it soon? Fix it the right way?
At the current point I'm very doubtful about everything.
And after having spent months farming dps chars, being now unable to win when attacking very bad teams gets too frustrating very fast.
Just fix this b$ asap or goodbye

months of meticulously grooming droid squad, select mods, placing omegas, level increases, countless gear... just flushed down the toilet. it shouldn't work like tgis w stealth nerfs invalidating investment and work.

Haven't seen any true changes except vs RG / StH / Ben.

Had to auto and it got me to 0:10 but I'd also gone for extra dispel over firepower and that may have been a mistake in hindsight.

"OzwaldEMandius;604561" wrote:
Haven't seen any true changes except vs RG / StH / Ben.

Had to auto and it got me to 0:10 but I'd also gone for extra dispel over firepower and that may have been a mistake in hindsight.

Vinch. Fight Vinch. Then update your post, lol. His team just went full retard. OB lead, 5s, aayla, ST Han. And QGJ might as well be lvl 5 CUP.

"OzwaldEMandius;604561" wrote:
Haven't seen any true changes except vs RG / StH / Ben.

Had to auto and it got me to 0:10 but I'd also gone for extra dispel over firepower and that may have been a mistake in hindsight.

Try fighting Sun Fac, Fives or Rex. They have been made considerably tougher as well.

"DaddyBacca;604624" wrote:

"Kyno;604307" wrote:


If this sticks there could be a possible timeout team in arena, meaning a team that with mods and an naturally high armor and or dodge will not be beatable in 5 mins. Not sure it is possible but when you only raise defense only and across the board you open this door.

The problem with that type of squad is it seems really only good for defensively holding a rank, but not for moving up.

After reading the various post about the armor increase, I did some experimentation today with creating this type of squad. I loaded up B2, Sun Fac, RG, and Phas with 5* defensive mods (long story why I had a bunch of those leveled up...just say I didn't understand defense, and still don't) with protection on arrow, cross, and circle. At lead, I had Ben, loaded with health mods and protection. Long story short, I played 2 long, boring matches that ended in draws against top 10 teams.

It stands to reason that had anyone attacked that team without some seriously high DPS, the match would have run the full 5 minutes. Problem is, there just isn't enough DPS in a tanky team like that to take out a typical Ben/Rey/RG/QGJ/STH type team.

Obviously this is a pretty small sample to compare against, and since there are no droid teams in the top 10 on my shard, I couldn't test against them, so YMMV.

So win with a different team, and then swap it out?

"Nikoms565;604300" wrote:

"Ultra;604249" wrote:
wait am i understanding this correctly? Increased armor is bad? Isn't higher armor a good thing since you receive less damage?

The issue most people have with this "update" (if it is intentional) is that it doesn't benefit all characters equally. Only those that have high armor numbers to begin with. The problem with this is twofold:

1) The game has functionally changed instantly for everyone. Characters that were not particularly good are now vital and characters that were good (some of which are p2p) are now fairly insignificant. This aspect is made worse by the fact that there was ZERO communication in this issue. Many found out (and lost arena ranks and battles) on the fly.

2) This also makes battles take much longer and GW significantly harder (there are people in my guild who have completed GW for months, who were stopped cold as early as node 9 or 10 with this change).

So no, it doesn't have to do with less damage (or wanting more damage or to see "big numbers") - it has to do with the instant and completely stealth manner in which the game was altered significantly.

Initially, I thought it was just characters that got Scoundrel tags that were given the silent increase in armor and not over the board board and re-reading what people have been saying about some characters having the armor raised and how it affects the game and what you bring up... yeah. I understand the complaints

Thanks for explaining!