Quit whining

I haven't run into Zaul yet, but just looking at the abilities vs the others out there, it seems to be the most powerful ability in the game. It seems like he's the character of choice for noobs or those who can't handle a challenge.

People on this forum have such a low quality standard for games. REAL games like league and dota have weekly/monthly balancing updates that adjust characters accordingly to make for a far more balanced gaming experience. Here ea/cg does not give a damn and treats this game as a cash grab and you all just accept that and even encourage it. It's sickening. Balances should be made so we don't see ridiculous usage percentages like the current 45% zaul.

"CaptainRex;986296" wrote:
I understand why people are complaining. It's both the dodge and speed meta combined.

It's speed and dodge for starters. With a healthy dose of invisibility on evade AND crit on top. And they also get a "tank/cleanser" with zavage. Who needs to die as the cleanser, because his cleanse can't be blocked or delayed or shocked. But he also has invisibility but also self cleanse on a crit. Against zaul/zavage, just press auto and see what happens. Result does not change. You need specific toons to win, and it is a very short list. Or superior mods.

Zaul is lethal but not invincible. I personally only run it here and there.

Amen to the "stop cry nerfing" threads. Seriously, it's annoying when people who can't beat toons that were legit built (free or paid) start crying foul.

Ball don't lie

"Ig88isboss;986304" wrote:
People on this forum have such a low quality standard for games. REAL games like league and dota have weekly/monthly balancing updates that adjust characters accordingly to make for a far more balanced gaming experience. Here ea/cg does not give a damn and treats this game as a cash grab and you all just accept that and even encourage it. It's sickening. Balances should be made so we don't see ridiculous usage percentages like the current 45% zaul.

It's pretty clear you have a specific agenda and you're not listening to any info that other players are providing.

I'd also say that the 45% is cherry-picking data.

Look at the Rank 1 squads right below the leader ... what's the top squad? Rex leader, GK, Chaze, and DN. No DM to be found there. That squad is the only individual squad above 10%. What squad is 4th? JEDI!!! zJinn baby! 2 Maul squads are also 2/3 ranked...but one has GK in it and the other has Chaze...so cleanse!

So how does zDM need a nerf if - in the source you continue to quote - he doesn't even form the most frequently used #1 team?

Then you look at rank 1 all characters...and he's 3rd. So nerf the 3rd highest used character? So should DN and EP - both higher usage for #1 rank - also be nerfed?

I think the 45% you keep quoting is cherry-picked data .... FAKE NEWS! :) jk jk...having fun.

Personally, I have no issue with Zaul. Took awhile to figure out a strategy, but there are a decent number of options. The problem is when you add Zavage under Zaul lead. This turns the fight into whack-a-mole dodge fest.... until you eventually get culled/annihilated.

Obviously there are a few counters. If you can beat this squad, look at the toons and mods you are using. How accessible is your squad to someone else who went down a different path (and/or doesn't have access to GK?) My arena needs to use LINE. So that people can help each other move these Zaul/Zavage squads. Even people using Zaul Zavage play roulette against other weaker Zaul Zavage squads. Press auto and pray. Add the ten minute cooldown timer, and this makes arena annoying more than ever.

"JohnnySteelAlpha;986323" wrote:

"Ig88isboss;986304" wrote:
People on this forum have such a low quality standard for games. REAL games like league and dota have weekly/monthly balancing updates that adjust characters accordingly to make for a far more balanced gaming experience. Here ea/cg does not give a damn and treats this game as a cash grab and you all just accept that and even encourage it. It's sickening. Balances should be made so we don't see ridiculous usage percentages like the current 45% zaul.

It's pretty clear you have a specific agenda and you're not listening to any info that other players are providing.

I'd also say that the 45% is cherry-picking data.

Look at the Rank 1 squads right below the leader ... what's the top squad? Rex leader, GK, Chaze, and DN. No DM to be found there. That squad is the only individual squad above 10%. What squad is 4th? JEDI!!! zJinn baby! 2 Maul squads are also 2/3 ranked...but one has GK in it and the other has Chaze...so cleanse!

So how does zDM need a nerf if - in the source you continue to quote - he doesn't even form the most frequently used #1 team?

Then you look at rank 1 all characters...and he's 3rd. So nerf the 3rd highest used character? So should DN and EP - both higher usage for #1 rank - also be nerfed?

I think the 45% you keep quoting is cherry-picked data .... FAKE NEWS! :) jk jk...having fun.

How is 45% cherry picked. It's a simple fact.
https://swgoh.gg/meta-report/

"Rumpelstilzchen;986339" wrote:
Funny how no one is starting a "Nerf GK" thread. DM is more assessible now. More will be able to compete. Wonder how many are just mad, F2Prs are kicking their collective backsides?

Meh, a new overlord will be added and Maul will be forgotten. He was powerful at launch, the Carebear continuum threw a fit and he was ruined, and made useless. Now he regains his place and they want him nerfed again. Boring..

Shock him, stun him, he stands there like the rest. Put in the wrench time.

Exactly right. It says a lot about Zaul/Zavage that no one complained about GK. It doesn't matter if Zaul starts out with 1 health. If he is leader and he has Zavage, Zavage and two other higher health sith will destroy most squads. Kill Maul, easy. Shock/stun zavage, vader, NH. Good luck with that. They don't stand there like the rest. Welcome to the peekaboo whackamole evasion game version 2.0, with stealth. Cleanser that is a tank with DPS, with 2 cleanses every turn and can't be blocked/shocked/stunned and who doesn't give up DPS to cleanse. I think people underestimate how good Savage Zeta is on this squad. Shock/daze IS the main weakness to zaul lead, but Zavage closes it up. Leaving the only counters as... super premium/longfarm toons and/or similar squad plus RNG. Zavage takes away the strategy and makes it so you NEED specific squads to beat it. At all. And even with the exact same squad, your human decision making isn't going to help much. This is one of the great AI dream teams.

If anything, they could give Plo buff. Anti stealth leader toon. When is he going to be useful?

Props to the lone dude at the top of his shard who runs Ima-gun di as the leader lol :D

"CaptainRex;986351" wrote:

"JohnnySteelAlpha;986323" wrote:

"Ig88isboss;986304" wrote:
People on this forum have such a low quality standard for games. REAL games like league and dota have weekly/monthly balancing updates that adjust characters accordingly to make for a far more balanced gaming experience. Here ea/cg does not give a damn and treats this game as a cash grab and you all just accept that and even encourage it. It's sickening. Balances should be made so we don't see ridiculous usage percentages like the current 45% zaul.

It's pretty clear you have a specific agenda and you're not listening to any info that other players are providing.

I'd also say that the 45% is cherry-picking data.

Look at the Rank 1 squads right below the leader ... what's the top squad? Rex leader, GK, Chaze, and DN. No DM to be found there. That squad is the only individual squad above 10%. What squad is 4th? JEDI!!! zJinn baby! 2 Maul squads are also 2/3 ranked...but one has GK in it and the other has Chaze...so cleanse!

So how does zDM need a nerf if - in the source you continue to quote - he doesn't even form the most frequently used #1 team?

Then you look at rank 1 all characters...and he's 3rd. So nerf the 3rd highest used character? So should DN and EP - both higher usage for #1 rank - also be nerfed?

I think the 45% you keep quoting is cherry-picked data .... FAKE NEWS! :) jk jk...having fun.

How is 45% cherry picked. It's a simple fact.
https://swgoh.gg/meta-report/

Cherry-picked means it's still a fact, but selectively taking a fact that supports your position and leaving out other facts that do not support your position. In this case I presented 2 alternated facts - both very relevant - that showed the following that does not support nerfing zDM:

1. The top rank 1 squad had no DM in it (Rex lead/Chaze/GK/DN)
2. Of all rank 1 characters, Maul is only the 3rd highest in usage (EP and DN are higher)

So how does he need a nerf if the #1 most used team setup to get rank 1 doesn't have him in it at all AND he's only the 3rd most used character on rank 1 squads.

There are 3 main pieces of data on that site - one of them is the leader mix. That's the only one that supports Maul being an outlier - but it's not the entire picture by far and it's not the only fact. This makes the 45% quote a cherry-picked fact. It conveniently supported the nerf zDM position. The other usage facts that do not support zDM being an outlier were ignored / omitted from the discussion.