Since both relic materials can be obtained by braking g12 gear, why the impulse detector can be crafter out of fully crafted pieces? Also we are missing a single piece of the g12 that can't be used anywere the armatech tactical dataI see this beeing intentional because most of us sit on a huge piles of them. I know this is the last shiny new thing but the conversion rate is the worst and just that alone can make the difference between the old and new gear,and on top of the cost you need a lot more relic materials (around 250 pieces of g12 for 20 pieces of the new gear).So why do we not have by now all the g12 pieces in full and in salvage as an option to craft the relic materials?

They said in the Q&A they couldn't add Mk 12 ArmaTek Tactical Data because of technical limitations with the scavengerBut those limitations were somehow solved when they wanted to add Impulse Detector and, they again, chose to not add Tactical Data on it when they had the opportunity

@Gifafi Permit me to translate: Sure, I can get from r7 to r8 any of a number of ways, but the most efficient possible path to r8 is barred by the rules governing the Cantina Scavenger. Gosh, this is really horrible when I only have 6 different things I can salvage for r8 mats! Yep. Sounds like #FirstWhaleProblems to me.

Its not a whale problem since every player, regardless of spending level, ends up accumulating a lot of ArmaTek Tactical Data since they are hardly used compared to other g12 gear"MasterSeedy;c-2211671" wrote:@Gifafi Permit me to translate: Sure, I can get from r7 to r8 any of a number of ways, but the most efficient possible path to r8 is barred by the rules governing the Cantina Scavenger. Gosh, this is really horrible when I only have 6 different things I can salvage for r8 mats! Yep. Sounds like #FirstWhaleProblems to me. Whales wouldn't care if they only had 6 things to salvage since they can buy the mat or the 6 things needed, ftp would care more about having less salvage options since they can't just purchase what they need, but rather use up what they have

Its not a whale problem since every player, regardless of spending level, ends up accumulating a lot of ArmaTek Tactical Data since they are hardly used compared to other g12 gearIt's a whale problem since only a very, very few non-whale accounts are in a position where their guild has already completed enough RCT raids to be worried about r8. The vast majority of people are not worried right now about which gear to salvage for r8 mats. Someday that will be a problem any persistent player - even FtP folks - will have to face. Just like someday there will be clean water everywhere in Africa & people will so take clean water for granted that instead of worrying about walking 30 minutes each way to a good well the can sit around and talk about which electric helicopters get the best range on a single charge. Saying that electrical helicopter range is a first world problem isn't to say that no one in Africa is worried about transportation or no one in Africa could use a dependable helicopter. What we're saying is that they're not at the point of worrying about that yet. Likewise, the number of non-whales who are going to need to worry about which r8 mats to buy with which gear is very different this week than it will be 20 months from now. Right now? This is #FirstWhaleProblems. I'm not misunderstanding the inability to cash in Armatek Tactical pieces. You're misunderstanding where the actual players of this game actually are, on average, in the process of gaining r8 toons.

A lot of FTP players have enough r8 materials from raids and have a couple of r7 toons already

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Iy4oy4s
Seasoned Newcomer
4 years ago
"Culegatorul;c-2212475" wrote:
The gear crunch in R8 will be the crafted materials,yes we can all say that right now we don't need r8 characters,but we will in the near future and if we don't address this issue(the cost of going to r8)it will never be addressed,they will just say it has been like this from the start.
This is me,i am F2P but i am in a good guild(320m),i have enough raid materials that i can take 2 chars to r8,but to take one i need 184 g12 salvage for the new pieces,then add on top of that 20 Zinbiddle cards which are hard to get as it is(that is 100 g12+ salvage),and the rest of the gear.Now that is just for 1 toon that is at r7 already,think of the next GL or a big character release that will require like 2-3 characters to r8.
I hope someone from CG thinks this through, and realize that the cost is too steep,and the minimum thing they can do add the Tactical Data salvage and the Full Pieces to the scavenger.
Also just food for thought,if we are ok with this imagine what the requirements will be for r9.

Don’t like it? It’s frustrating? Open your wallet and all that frustration goes away. -CG

Get used to it because they haven’t addressed the gear crunch at the lower levels, so this crunch will be here for quite some time, at least a year +.
I am sure there is already packs with artwork ready to roll out at a strategic time to ease the frustration.
CG doesn’t really know how to do game economics.
sloweagle0
New Spectator
4 years ago
We all know why CG doesn’t add Tactical Data to scavenger, they have the data to show if they do, it is just a giveaway for whatever they want to gate. I have 15 fully crafted and ability to craft another 15.

On the other hand, given the pace we are getting R8 signal through CPit, I am not too worried about this myself as 2015 F2P. I have done 6 CPit so far and got 30 R8 mats total, and I had enough bayonet to keep up my pace of R8 Mats.
JCTucker
4 years ago
"sloweagle;c-2212514" wrote:
We all know why CG doesn’t add Tactical Data to scavenger, they have the data to show if they do, it is just a giveaway for whatever they want to gate. I have 15 fully crafted and ability to craft another 15.

On the other hand, given the pace we are getting R8 signal through CPit, I am not too worried about this myself as 2015 F2P. I have done 6 CPit so far and got 30 R8 mats total, and I had enough bayonet to keep up my pace of R8 Mats.

"Ability to craft another 15" = 3 characters to R8. That's the point here. Including it would have been the smart thing. It gets people "used" to the idea of taking characters to R8 without thinking about "these 450 pieces represents 3 years of bad raid rewards compiling over time."
Culegatorul
4 years ago
"Lor_San_Teka;c-2212579" wrote:
"sloweagle;c-2212514" wrote:
We all know why CG doesn’t add Tactical Data to scavenger, they have the data to show if they do, it is just a giveaway for whatever they want to gate. I have 15 fully crafted and ability to craft another 15.

On the other hand, given the pace we are getting R8 signal through CPit, I am not too worried about this myself as 2015 F2P. I have done 6 CPit so far and got 30 R8 mats total, and I had enough bayonet to keep up my pace of R8 Mats.

"Ability to craft another 15" = 3 characters to R8. That's the point here. Including it would have been the smart thing. It gets people "used" to the idea of taking characters to R8 without thinking about "these 450 pieces represents 3 years of bad raid rewards compiling over time."

This is so on point,also alot of players think adding Tactical Data will be a freebie, but you will get to craft enough materials for 2-3 characters then you are out,also they have to add the full crafted pieces since you can get 1 as a raid reward and you can't use it to craft the new piece.
eleslalegenda
4 years ago
Don't worry everyone, a fix is on the horizon

R8 materials will be added to tier 3 of the NS assault battles. So make you sure you have 5 r8 NS so you can actually clear it...

:/
BinBetter
New Spectator
4 years ago
"Lor_San_Teka;c-2211975" wrote:

The day Relic 8 becomes required for any character (next set of GL), that's my last day in this game.

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Seems not to be the case
Culegatorul
4 years ago
Well i think we can all agree that when i started this post the jump from r7 to r8 was ridiculous and now it still is ridiculous,but now is not just the problem of few whales.
Culegatorul
4 years ago
"Larx;c-2275877" wrote:
@Culegatorul
R8 is no whale problem. u do know u can get everything you need from conquest? and there are a lot FTP out there who succeed Crancor without problem.

so yes, whales have an advantage, but isnt it fair enough for them to get everything faster? why should they spend else?
so yes, i want R8 also faster to get, but last conquest i got my first R8 and two more to go, getting my second one. in a guild where we can barely beat P1 of Crancor.

if R8 materials would be only farmable at Crancor, this would be a problem. but at the current state? nope, i dont see a problem here.

I did not say it is a whale problem,i was saying that the jump from r7 to r8 it is huge,one could argue,but it is close with the jump from r0 to r7,and i have like 240 aero tech from Cpit,so i don't really factor that into calculation.
I just notice that they added the impuls detectors to weekly shipments at a very good price,but before this they were around 5k in crystals just for 20 impuls detectors(if you were to buy the g12 pieces).
The r8 is a problem for everyone of us and i don't have a problem that whales get it faster,this is how it was since the beginning.
Lochaber1984
4 years ago
#whaleproblems
GifafiTho
4 years ago
"John_Matrix1985;c-2211665" wrote:
#whaleproblems

lol?