R9 reqs

This isn't exactly a surprise. We all knew that R9 would be required for new GLs (and like executor, profundity can be considered a 'fleet GL' given the list of prereqs). It's disappointing, sure, and I hate that I have to make a choice between playing with the people that I care about and have fun with and getting end game mats.

It's a choice we have to make in this game and it's one that we shouldn't have to - whether you choose to leave your guild for a higher GP guild, or choose to stay with a group of less ambitious players that you feel a connection to you still end up with a sour taste in your mouth. It's like the end of Mass Effect 3 - no matter which choice you make, it sucks, but you have to make the choice every day here.

But it's nothing we didn't see coming. The only answer if you don't want to go to a bigger guild is to pay. I'm pretty sure that's how CG wants it.

"LordDirt;c-2373067" wrote:

"MasterSeedy;c-2373064" wrote:

Get in a better guild

I always hate this answer. Obviously the right guild can help you quite a bit, but there have to be concessions to individual players. None of the rewards in CPit are exclusive to CPit. There are ways to reward high powered guilds without making it impossible for high GP players to stay with the guilds they love.

Why do I say this? Because for many, many people their guild is what's keeping them going when datacrons and so many other things are aggravating them and making them think seriously about quitting.

If SWGOH wants to make money, then they should try to accommodate players who want to stay with their friends, but also want to try for endgame rewards. Otherwise you end up with more quitters and the game withers.

Guilds are a powerful motivator to continue playing, which works to CG's advantage. They should play to that strength of their game, not make it impossible to simultaneously play with your friends (of whatever level) and also strive for endgame ships and toons. (It can be much harder without guild rewards added in. It's the situation where it is impossible to do both at the same time that makes quitting the game more likely.)

You can hate the answer all you want but it is the answer to getting R9 material.

Perhaps it shouldn't be the only answer though?

"AlexTheG;c-2373357" wrote:

"LordDirt;c-2373067" wrote:

"MasterSeedy;c-2373064" wrote:

Get in a better guild

I always hate this answer. Obviously the right guild can help you quite a bit, but there have to be concessions to individual players. None of the rewards in CPit are exclusive to CPit. There are ways to reward high powered guilds without making it impossible for high GP players to stay with the guilds they love.

Why do I say this? Because for many, many people their guild is what's keeping them going when datacrons and so many other things are aggravating them and making them think seriously about quitting.

If SWGOH wants to make money, then they should try to accommodate players who want to stay with their friends, but also want to try for endgame rewards. Otherwise you end up with more quitters and the game withers.

Guilds are a powerful motivator to continue playing, which works to CG's advantage. They should play to that strength of their game, not make it impossible to simultaneously play with your friends (of whatever level) and also strive for endgame ships and toons. (It can be much harder without guild rewards added in. It's the situation where it is impossible to do both at the same time that makes quitting the game more likely.)

You can hate the answer all you want but it is the answer to getting R9 material.

Perhaps it shouldn't be the only answer though?

It's not, there are packs you can buy.

"LordDirt;c-2373376" wrote:

"AlexTheG;c-2373357" wrote:

"LordDirt;c-2373067" wrote:

"MasterSeedy;c-2373064" wrote:

Get in a better guild

I always hate this answer. Obviously the right guild can help you quite a bit, but there have to be concessions to individual players. None of the rewards in CPit are exclusive to CPit. There are ways to reward high powered guilds without making it impossible for high GP players to stay with the guilds they love.

Why do I say this? Because for many, many people their guild is what's keeping them going when datacrons and so many other things are aggravating them and making them think seriously about quitting.

If SWGOH wants to make money, then they should try to accommodate players who want to stay with their friends, but also want to try for endgame rewards. Otherwise you end up with more quitters and the game withers.

Guilds are a powerful motivator to continue playing, which works to CG's advantage. They should play to that strength of their game, not make it impossible to simultaneously play with your friends (of whatever level) and also strive for endgame ships and toons. (It can be much harder without guild rewards added in. It's the situation where it is impossible to do both at the same time that makes quitting the game more likely.)

You can hate the answer all you want but it is the answer to getting R9 material.

Perhaps it shouldn't be the only answer though?

It's not, there are packs you can buy.

Fair enough. I honestly didn't know there's the option to pay for r9 materials. Should've guessed I suppose.

"AlexTheG;c-2373395" wrote:

"LordDirt;c-2373376" wrote:

"AlexTheG;c-2373357" wrote:

"LordDirt;c-2373067" wrote:

"MasterSeedy;c-2373064" wrote:

Get in a better guild

I always hate this answer. Obviously the right guild can help you quite a bit, but there have to be concessions to individual players. None of the rewards in CPit are exclusive to CPit. There are ways to reward high powered guilds without making it impossible for high GP players to stay with the guilds they love.

Why do I say this? Because for many, many people their guild is what's keeping them going when datacrons and so many other things are aggravating them and making them think seriously about quitting.

If SWGOH wants to make money, then they should try to accommodate players who want to stay with their friends, but also want to try for endgame rewards. Otherwise you end up with more quitters and the game withers.

Guilds are a powerful motivator to continue playing, which works to CG's advantage. They should play to that strength of their game, not make it impossible to simultaneously play with your friends (of whatever level) and also strive for endgame ships and toons. (It can be much harder without guild rewards added in. It's the situation where it is impossible to do both at the same time that makes quitting the game more likely.)

You can hate the answer all you want but it is the answer to getting R9 material.

Perhaps it shouldn't be the only answer though?

It's not, there are packs you can buy.

Fair enough. I honestly didn't know there's the option to pay for r9 materials. Should've guessed I suppose.

They aren't always available. You have to watch for them.

With new toons, such as Admiral Raddus, there is a definite schedule of marquee event, then shards available in packs for $$, then for crystals in the stores, and eventually will be on a node (after about a 3 months, while Conquest toons appear elsewhere in a year).

For R9 materials all we have is that they are available in $50 packs and in TW. We do not know if or when they will be available for crystals in the stores or in Conquest or some other event. There is no information about any schedule for wider distribution. If they would just tell us more information then we would at least have something to look forward to and more people may stay with the game.

"MasterSeedy;c-2373349" wrote:

if you don't care about competetiveness and progression, why should you care about Profundity which, as described in 2), is most likely just going to be the 2nd fleet in the top tier rivaling the Executor similar to how Nego and Male competed against each other?

A lot of people play this game because of friends. I started because of my daughter. And we continue to play not because the game is so amazing as a group of dancing pixels, but because of the people we play with -- friends, family, guild mates.

And yet, even for those of us who play primarily for the friendship and the people, there are still different play styles. One of those is **collecting**.

I am a person who is a collector, not a conqueror, in the game. There are a lot of us. To tell us we have to give up our primary motivation (friends and family) OR give up our primary play style (collection) is bad business on the part of CG. I'm lucky enough to be in a 400M+ guild and have the r9 mats to spare (since I've spent none and have taken not a single character to r8, much less r9, if it wasn't required in order to collect something else). But those of us in 400M guilds are the minority. For most people who play the people and friends and focus on collecting not conquering, they have no access to GL Jabba & Profundity.

Now you may not care about other humans, and that's fine. We're not asking you to. But in the interest of business, CG should not make it a policy that the large segment of people who play people/collection focussed should have to abandon one or the other. What will happen -- and what has happened many times -- is that such people will try to play with only half the enjoyment, find it doesn't keep the game worth it, and quit.

Then they'll have neither through SWGOH, but they'll happily find different games that they can play with friends and family and the real losers will be CG (losing income) and you and I (when we lose SWGOH entirely as the game dies).

This is a good criticism and one that CG needs to hear.

Means your guild cant beat the raid when they first comes out (isnt meet the requirements or guildies refuse to develop teams that performs well, or whatever reason) and you still want HanSolo/General Kenobi/Darth Traya?

Sure, everyone want to play with their friends, but how's that fair to ppl that tried for it?

"Phoenixeon;c-2373550" wrote:

"MasterSeedy;c-2373349" wrote:

if you don't care about competetiveness and progression, why should you care about Profundity which, as described in 2), is most likely just going to be the 2nd fleet in the top tier rivaling the Executor similar to how Nego and Male competed against each other?

A lot of people play this game because of friends. I started because of my daughter. And we continue to play not because the game is so amazing as a group of dancing pixels, but because of the people we play with -- friends, family, guild mates.

And yet, even for those of us who play primarily for the friendship and the people, there are still different play styles. One of those is **collecting**.

I am a person who is a collector, not a conqueror, in the game. There are a lot of us. To tell us we have to give up our primary motivation (friends and family) OR give up our primary play style (collection) is bad business on the part of CG. I'm lucky enough to be in a 400M+ guild and have the r9 mats to spare (since I've spent none and have taken not a single character to r8, much less r9, if it wasn't required in order to collect something else). But those of us in 400M guilds are the minority. For most people who play the people and friends and focus on collecting not conquering, they have no access to GL Jabba & Profundity.

Now you may not care about other humans, and that's fine. We're not asking you to. But in the interest of business, CG should not make it a policy that the large segment of people who play people/collection focussed should have to abandon one or the other. What will happen -- and what has happened many times -- is that such people will try to play with only half the enjoyment, find it doesn't keep the game worth it, and quit.

Then they'll have neither through SWGOH, but they'll happily find different games that they can play with friends and family and the real losers will be CG (losing income) and you and I (when we lose SWGOH entirely as the game dies).

This is a good criticism and one that CG needs to hear.

Means your guild cant beat the raid when they first comes out (isnt meet the requirements or guildies refuse to develop teams that performs well, or whatever reason) and you still want HanSolo/General Kenobi/Darth Traya?

Sure, everyone want to play with their friends, but how's that fair to ppl that tried for it?

Because after the constant kicks in the guts to the community, CG should pay attention to community sentiment and guilds disbanding

Sure, everyone want to play with their friends, but how's that fair to ppl that tried for it?

Uh, I think you're vastly missing the point. First, every single one of those characters is accessible to a single player in any guild, since all 3 of the raids that disburse character shards are raids that can be solo'd. So there is a way to access those shards for a single person who wants those toons no matter their guild.

Secondly, and far more importantly, players are complaining. I'm trying to make those complaints understandable to CG. I have plenty of r9 mats, the complaint doesn't apply to me, but I empathize with those complaints because if my favorite guild was 250Mgp, then I would be in that situation b/c I'm someone who prioritizes friendships over conquering enemies.

The complaint is that there's a large number of people who are being forced to choose between their play style and their motivation to play the game at all. I'm not asking for CG to be **fair** to those folks. The argument isn't even really about **fair**. The argument is simply this: if CG wants their game to be successful, they should avoid forcing a large segment of the player base into a choice which ends up killing those players' fun no matter which choice they make.

If they force players into unpleasant choices, they're going to lose players. If they lose players, the game becomes less healthy and less profitable.

It's not about fair. It's about whether you want a game at all. I don't think you want the game to fail. People who love beating others in PvP need players who don't care as much so that the PvP lovers can get their wins, while the collectors need an avenue to acquire new toons and ships.

It's in your interest to make sure that there's a way for players to collect things with no or minimal help from their guild. For Raid characters, the method for collection is putting together a team that can solo the raid so that you can win the raid and get the rewards without help from your guild mates.

For r9 mats, there isn't another collection method. Even if it's difficult and time consuming, there should be hope for collectors who play with their friends, not because that's what's fair. I recommend that because I believe that's good for the game.

"Phoenixeon;c-2373550" wrote:

Sure, everyone want to play with their friends, but how's that fair to ppl that tried for it?

Well that's exactly the problem - there's seems to be a perception that providing (non-monetary) avenues to get high end gear to players that don't want to leave their guild is somehow unfair to the people that have already done so. This is rather like saying, "we all had to deal with this problem so don't fix it because everyone else should have to feel this pain too."

I don't necessarily disagree with what MasterSeedy is saying - I'm just not expecting anything I say to make any difference. At the end of the day, if you want to stay in a smaller guild and still get the gear, you have to pay for it with money. Ironically, at the very top end, if you want to stay with your guild and CONTINUE to get the gear you'll likely be pressured to pay for other things with money just to keep up (Datacrons and Marquee characters say hi). This is the nature of most progression based games - the difference is, in most progression games you can't just out-right buy the gear you want. At least that's an option here, even if the prices are abhorrent.

But let's leave this idea of "fair" at the doorstep. It's not about fairness - it's about giving players options and maximizing enjoyment of the game - which on it's face would seem to be a desirable thing to a game developer, and the people that are playing their game. The problem is how to do that while maintaining the high level of profit that the game has enjoyed up to this point.